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For "forgetting" everything. How does he get away with this all the time?


Ex-mayor under oath in city’s Millennium Park lawsuit: ‘I don’t know what I knew’

By TIM NOVAK Staff Reporter October 18, 2013 9:16PM

Former Mayor Richard M. Daley says he doesn’t remember much about the planning of Millennium Park, his wildly over-budget project that has become one of Chicago’s civic treasures.

The sprawling downtown park, with its gleaming stainless-steel sculpture known as “The Bean,” is seen as one of his crowning achievements. Daley, though, shrugs it off. He says it wasn’t even his idea to build the $475 million park, instead crediting Daniel Burnham, the legendary planner who created Chicago’s master plan more than a century ago.

As Chicago’s longest-serving mayor, Daley had a reputation as a micromanager and stickler for details. But he recalls little about the many meetings he attended to plan the park and not much either about its controverisal restaurant, the Park Grill, according to a transcript of an often-contentious deposition the former mayor gave Aug. 29 at the law offices of his attorney Terrence Burns.

Daley is one of several former city officials who have given sworn, pretrial testimony in Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s 2-year-old lawsuit to break the “sweetheart” deal that Daley relatives, friends and associates got in 2003 to operate the restaurant for 30 years.

Emanuel’s lawsuit says the “commercially unreasonable” deal has cost taxpayers more than $5 million because it gives Park Grill free natural gas, water and garbage collection while the restaurant on Michigan Avenue has paid the park district just $2.6 million from January 2004 through last July.

In his deposition, Daley says he doesn’t recall whether clout helped the Park Grill’s investors — including his cousin Theresa Mintle, who was Emanuel’s first chief of staff — win the restaurant deal over two other bidders, one of them a group that included venture capitalist Bruce Rauner, an Emanuel friend now running for governor.

The Park Grill sits on land owned by the park district and land owned by the city, but the City Council never was asked to approve the restaurant, which City Hall now says nullifies the deal.

Daley also says in the deposition he doesn’t remember the powerful Pritzker family balking at the original plans for a concert pavilion at Millennium Park until he agreed to a more lavish design by architect Frank Gehry.

Nor, he says, did he know in advance about Anish Kapoor’s popular Bean sculpture.

And he doesn’t remember attending the restaurant’s grand opening — not even after being shown a photograph of him there with the restaurant’s operators, James Horan and Matthew O’Malley. O’Malley impregnated a top park district official, Laura Foxgrover, while negotiations for the restaurant deal were ongoing — another issue in the lawsuit that Daley was asked about.

The deposition ended with Park Grill attorney Stephen Novack accusing the former mayor of ducking questions or answering only after being coached on what to say by his attorney or a lawyer for City Hall, according to a 162-page transcript the Chicago Sun-Times obtained from City Hall under the
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What follows are excerpts from the deposition, one of “five or six” the former mayor says he has ever given. Read the full transcript at
suntimes.com/news/watchdogs.

Daley on being mayor

Novack: How long were you mayor of Chicago?

Daley: Twenty-two years. I don’t know about the — maybe the hours. Maybe more than 22 years. Yeah, I don’t know what the hours were.

Novack: Were you ever asked in the 22 years that you were mayor whether the city should enter into a particular contract?

Daley: I don’t recall.

Daley on Millennium Park

Novack: Was there ever a situation while you were mayor that the park district was doing a particular something that you didn’t like?

Daley: I wouldn’t recall. I don’t recall that.

Novack: OK. And having a park at Millennium Park was your idea, sir, wasn’t it?

Daley: No. It was Daniel Burnham’s.

Novack: Did you work on the concept of “The Bean?” Were you involved in that?

Burns (to Daley): Did you develop the concept of having — what do they call it, “The Cloud” or “The Bean” over in the park?

Novack: “The Bean.” Let’s start with “The Bean.”

Daley: No. I could never — no.

Novack: Did you know there was going to be a Bean?

Daley: No.

Novack: At the park?

Daley: No.

Novack: One day, you saw it, and that was the first time you knew about it?

Daley: I don’t even remember. I never knew it was coming.

Novack: So you were involved in some of the details at least?

Daley: Trees, size of trees, just making sure that the facility would be up-to-date. Trees. I’m a tree lover. Put that on the record.

Novack: Did you consider the park in any way to be one of your legacies as mayor of the city?

Daley: Well, it’s hard to say what a legacy is.

Novack: You don’t want to be associated with Millennium Park?

Daley: I would rather be associated with building a school.

Novack: As the park was being developed, it’s true, isn’t it, that you had regular briefings about the park?

Daley: I don’t recall. I could have had some briefings, but I don’t recall.

Daley on Park Grill

Novack: Do you recall Mr. Horan and Mr. O’Malley coming to your office and showing you renditions of what the interior was going to look like?

Daley: They could have. I wouldn’t recall. They could have.

Novack: Do you recall asking them to move the bar from the front of the restaurant to the back of the restaurant because you thought that would be more family-friendly?

Daley: I don’t recall.

Novack: Do you recall that you actually attended the announcement of the opening of the restaurant?

Daley: I don’t recall if I did or not.

Novack: OK. I’ll show you . . . a picture of a bunch of people standing in front of some buildings. Do you recognize yourself in that picture?

Daley: It’s kind of blurry. I guess it’s me, if it is.

Novack: And you are there, aren’t you, for the opening of the ice rink . . . and the restaurant being open for the first time?

Daley: I don’t know what it was for, but — I don’t recall.

Novack: In other words, is it your testimony that the first time you knew that they [Horan and O’Malley] were associated with the restaurant was that day?

Daley: I don’t know what I knew.

Daley on Foxgrover

Novack: Do you recall going over to Laura and hugging her and saying, “Everything is going to be OK?”

Daley: About what?

Novack: About what was said in this newspaper article [a Sun-Times story that reported Foxgrover had an affair with O’Malley and became pregnant during the restaurant negotiations].

Daley: No, I don’t recall that.

Novack: I don’t mean a romantic hug, sir. You know that. I’m talking about a friendship hug.

Daley: Oh. I know Laura Foxgrover. Very nice woman, very nice.

Novack: Do you remember saying to [Vince Gavin, Navy Pier’s security chief], “This is crazy what the Sun-Times is doing to Laura and Matt?”

Daley: I don’t recall that.

Daley on investors’ clout

Novack: Do you recall that there was an article that came out in the Chicago Sun-Times that accused — asserted that there was clout — political clout used by friends of you, Mr. Daley, for Park Grill to have gotten the restaurant concession at Millennium Park?

Daley: No, I don’t recall.

Novack: Do you believe — have you ever believed that they got the contract through political clout, yes or no?

Daley: I don’t — I don’t know.

Novack: Do you think there was anything improper about how the Park Grill got this contract?

Daley: I wouldn’t know.

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he did what he did, cant be undone.

I just wish he was no longer able to keep doing everything he does. Like his brothers Law or any firm Mayor daleys is affiliated with should not be able to do any business with the city.

But thats the way everything works down there. Guys work there, then go get consulting jobs and get favors done.

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Either he's mentally challenged or he's an arch criminal. And that's the way the media should report on it. The fuckin' Tribune refuses to take him on and always has except for an occasional Kass column. And people call the Sun-Times "Daley's News". At least they have some guys over there that aren't afraid to come after him. Now that he's no longer mayor, anyway.

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Wow, Daley not accepting accountability for anything? shocking.

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The entire Park Grill story is fascinating. From the disgraced judge's Park District official daughter getting knocked up by Matt O'Malley while she was still married to a high level cop to all of Daley's friends and neighbors investing in the place (including mobbed-up Freddie Barbara) and now to Rahm trying to have the contract declared null and void. A true Chicago story. And if you ever thought Rahm and the Daleys were "friends", this should tell you otherwise.

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Either he's mentally challenged or he's an arch criminal. And that's the way the media should report on it. The fuckin' Tribune refuses to take him on and always has except for an occasional Kass column. And people call the Sun-Times "Daley's News". At least they have some guys over there that aren't afraid to come after him. Now that he's no longer mayor, anyway.


The big steals go largely unreported. The newspapers splash this relatively penny-ante stuff on their headlines and then beat their chests about the service they are providing to the city. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would say this is intentional or possibly divulged by the administration itself to keep eyes off the big stuff.

We still sit here to this day praising St. Maggie despite the very obvious taking that went on through her.

Not a single park is named in honor of Sis Daley.

wrought iron fencing, the continued close relationship with convicted organized criminals from the old neighborhood...shit this stuff isn't even the hidden items. They are sitting there right on the surface and all we get are headlines about Kotschman and some stupid restaurant.

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Either he's mentally challenged or he's an arch criminal. And that's the way the media should report on it. The fuckin' Tribune refuses to take him on and always has except for an occasional Kass column. And people call the Sun-Times "Daley's News". At least they have some guys over there that aren't afraid to come after him. Now that he's no longer mayor, anyway.


The big steals go largely unreported. The newspapers splash this relatively penny-ante stuff on their headlines and then beat their chests about the service they are providing to the city. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would say this is intentional or possibly divulged by the administration itself to keep eyes off the big stuff.

We still sit here to this day praising St. Maggie despite the very obvious taking that went on through her.

Not a single park is named in honor of Sis Daley.


Yep, you rarely hear anyone mention how Maggie's friends locked up the concessions at the airports. And did she receive a salary from one of Pat Ryan's boards? You can't even ask that question without Mayor Dum Dum going into his Chucky doll act with his face turning red and his eyes rolling around like he just escaped from an asylum. As if these aren't legitimate questions.

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Never belittle his and Maggie's eternal relationship...Now go report about nailing a woman 30 years his junior who he happened to be the youngest person ever placed on a particular medical board while his wife was still alive within a year of his beloved wife's passing.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Either he's mentally challenged or he's an arch criminal. And that's the way the media should report on it. The fuckin' Tribune refuses to take him on and always has except for an occasional Kass column. And people call the Sun-Times "Daley's News". At least they have some guys over there that aren't afraid to come after him. Now that he's no longer mayor, anyway.


The big steals go largely unreported. The newspapers splash this relatively penny-ante stuff on their headlines and then beat their chests about the service they are providing to the city. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would say this is intentional or possibly divulged by the administration itself to keep eyes off the big stuff.

We still sit here to this day praising St. Maggie despite the very obvious taking that went on through her.

Not a single park is named in honor of Sis Daley.


Yep, you rarely hear anyone mention how Maggie's friends locked up the concessions at the airports. And did she receive a salary from one of Pat Ryan's boards? You can't even ask that question without Mayor Dum Dum ]going into his Chucky doll act with his face turning red and his eyes rolling around like he just escaped from an asylum. As if these aren't legitimate questions.
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Never belittle his and Maggie's eternal relationship...Now go report about nailing a woman 30 years his junior who he happened to be the youngest person ever placed on a particular medical board while his wife was still alive within a year of his beloved wife's passing.

Cant say anything bad about Maggie. She had cancer!!

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Now go report about nailing a woman 30 years his junior who he happened to be the youngest person ever placed on a particular medical board while his wife was still alive within a year of his beloved wife's passing.


I wonder when he's gonna bring her into Shinnick's. :lol:

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That's straight out of his old man's playbook. King Daley the First once said something like, "My critics? How many trees did they ever plant?"

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He just toyed with them. I'm sure they were pissed but he knows they can't touch him.

It’s kind of blurry. I guess it’s me, if it is.

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He just toyed with them. I'm sure they were pissed but he knows they can't touch him.


Certainly not on this. I'd still like to see something come around to bite him in the ass though. I can't understand why so many people are so loyal to this guy when he has never shown anyone a shred of loyalty in return.

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My cousin had a high ranking city job during the Daley years. I have heard mumbling for all my life about the two Daleys,but the fact is they built this city!

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My cousin had a high ranking city job during the Daley years. I have heard mumbling for all my life about the two Daleys,but the fact is they built this city!


They did. They also fucked some areas too.

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My cousin had a high ranking city job during the Daley years. I have heard mumbling for all my life about the two Daleys,but the fact is they built this city!



That's the whole point, jimmy. They built a paradise for the powerful and well-connected and maybe a nice place to live for the upper middle class but they did it on the backs of everyone else.

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My cousin had a high ranking city job during the Daley years. I have heard mumbling for all my life about the two Daleys,but the fact is they built this city!



That's the whole point, jimmy. They built a paradise for the powerful and well-connected and maybe a nice place to live for the upper middle class but they did it on the backs of everyone else.
That is what they say about every city that prospered. They say the same about New York City and San Francisco. They don't say it about Detroit and Baltimore.

I understand that gentrification sucks for those who get priced out of the area but it would also be pretty damaging policy to artificially keep areas in poor economic states because they are currently in a poor economic state.

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My cousin had a high ranking city job during the Daley years. I have heard mumbling for all my life about the two Daleys,but the fact is they built this city!



That's the whole point, jimmy. They built a paradise for the powerful and well-connected and maybe a nice place to live for the upper middle class but they did it on the backs of everyone else.
That is what they say about every city that prospered. They say the same about New York City and San Francisco. They don't say it about Detroit and Baltimore.

I understand that gentrification sucks for those who get priced out of the area but it would also be pretty damaging policy to artificially keep areas in poor economic states because they are currently in a poor economic state.


Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.


Don't do it?

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.


Don't do it?
How? Deny all new permits to tear down and build? Deny all permits to renovate old buildings?

That is what we are talking about right? I understand that it sucks to be priced out of your own neighborhood but a city can't just stop improving so people don't have to move when they can't afford where they live now.

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.



Stop fetishizing "development" and rewarding (picking winners and loser as Nas states) those who are shoving the lower middle class out of neighborhoods where they have lived for generations. It's insult to injury when TIFs overflowing with tax dollars from the very pockets of those who are being "gentrified" out of their homes are funding the removal of those taxpayers themselves. Some might call such a thing "perverse".

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.


Don't do it?
How? Deny all new permits to tear down and build? Deny all permits to renovate old buildings?

That is what we are talking about right? I understand that it sucks to be priced out of your own neighborhood but a city can't just stop improving so people don't have to move when they can't afford where they live now.


They forced segregation on parts of the city to keep whites from fleeing to the suburbs. They destroyed stable communities. It wasn't just about tearing down and building.

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Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.



Stop fetishizing "development" and rewarding (picking winners and loser as Nas states) those who are shoving the lower middle class out of neighborhoods where they have lived for generations. It's insult to injury when TIFs overflowing with tax dollars from the very pockets of those who are being "gentrified" out of their homes are funding the removal of those taxpayers themselves. Some might call such a thing "perverse".
I'm not fetishizing anything. It's just a natural evolution when space is at a premium. Areas get more expensive and sometimes an area gets too expensive to live in for some. I don't think there is any inherent right for you to live in the same area your grandfather did. You've often complained about how generational wealth really isn't fair. Why should the fact that your grandfather lived in an area matter?

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They forced segregation on parts of the city to keep whites from fleeing to the suburbs. They destroyed stable communities. It wasn't just about tearing down and building.
It seems like you aren't really talking about gentrification. Can you explain a little more on what you mean? I was under the impression the major issue is that in many areas they built expensive condos which then lead to more expensive condos and eventually people couldn't afford to live there or were forced to move as the apartment they lived in ceased to exist.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nas wrote:
Some of these areas were diverse working class areas. They picked winners and losers.
How do you really stop it though? If they only gentrified "poor" areas people would be just as mad.



Stop fetishizing "development" and rewarding (picking winners and loser as Nas states) those who are shoving the lower middle class out of neighborhoods where they have lived for generations. It's insult to injury when TIFs overflowing with tax dollars from the very pockets of those who are being "gentrified" out of their homes are funding the removal of those taxpayers themselves. Some might call such a thing "perverse".
I'm not fetishizing anything. It's just a natural evolution when space is at a premium. Areas get more expensive and sometimes an area gets too expensive to live in for some. I don't think there is any inherent right for you to live in the same area your grandfather did. You've often complained about how generational wealth really isn't fair. Why should the fact that your grandfather lived in an area matter?



I'm not saying you are fetishizing anything. I'm saying that mayors and their cronies (read: political contributors) who develop property for a "living" fetishize development.

And it's far from "natural" as you suggest. It's being driven by tax breaks and/or TIF money. You wanted examples of corporate welfare. There it is.

Do you think the poor have an inherent right to live anywhere? Or do they exist merely at the whim of the politically connected?

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