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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:33 pm 
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Normally Ryan Dempster pitching in a game would be a favorable scenario for an opponent, but I'm not sure that is the case here. He's like Farrell's version of Auerbach's victory cigar

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Normally Ryan Dempster pitching in a game would be a favorable scenario for an opponent, but I'm not sure that is the case here. He's like Farrell's version of Auerbach's victory cigar

Not to overstate the obvious but Cards better hope they don't go down 0-2. If Boston beats their 2 best gotta figure it's lights out from there.

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Getting a 1up?

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I wouldn't put an over-signifigance on it other than obviously being up a game. you want to split on the road under DH rules. To my eye, these guys looked like they had nerves or just weren't ready to play. You can't spot a team a 5-6 run lead with that type of little league play in the early innings. Of bigger concern is whether or not Beltran returns. I don't find any of the other Boston starters unbeatable, and while taking nothing away from Lester, who was good- the Cardinal were something like 4 games under .500 against LH starters.

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meatpants agrees with beardown

Then pull him after 2, like I said then. RT @Buster_ESPN: Matheny says Cards haven't ruled out bringing back Wainwright on shorter rest

Has there been any word on Beltran?

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Then pull him after 2, like I said then. RT @Buster_ESPN: Matheny says Cards haven't ruled out bringing back Wainwright on shorter rest

Has there been any word on Beltran?


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It was inexcusable but here's what happened. Ump was focused on the bag to see if his foot maintained contact. He assumed the drop was on the exchange. So, it's bad, but he actually didn't see it. Only way to explain it cuz obviously it was clear that he never had possession of the ball. Nobody calls it that way if they actually saw it.

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My point is nobody who actually was watching the ball would call it that way. Get it? He assumed the catch and was focusing on the bag.


That's stupid. Why focus on the bag at all when it's going to be a neighborhood play anyway? Umps never focus on the bag in these scenarios? Get it?



Yeah, and he wasn't anywhere near the bag anyway. To me, even if that play goes clean and they turn it, the way he came across is really stretching the outer limits of the neighborhood play. He never caught the ball. He didn't drop it during the transfer. They eventually got it right.

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Dempster is just a clown but no hate for him.


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Dempster is just a clown but no hate for him.



I hate him. He's a turd and his Harry Caray impression sucks.

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Dempster is just a clown but no hate for him.



I hate him. He's a turd and his Harry Caray impression sucks.

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So JORR you hate Dempster but iike Swisher??

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So JORR you hate Dempster but iike Swisher??


Swisher is a good baseball player. Dempster is a mediocre back of the rotation starter.

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To relive a bit of history with good guy family man Ryan Dempster. Piece of shit.



Every high priced veteran on the roster knew they were on notice going into the season, and likely not part of the team's long term plans. Ryan Dempster acknowledged this on many occasions, and publicly stated on many occasions that he would accept a trade if it helped the club get better. This falls right in line with his 'good guy' image he built up with fans during his tenure with the team. (Some) fans loved his impersonation of Will Ferrell impersonating Harry Caray, and Dempster would often joke with the media. He has the Dempster Foundation, which locally raises awareness for DiGeorge Syndrome/VCFS, which is a rare disorder his daughter has. As it turns out, Dempster isn't nearly the guy that he crafted his image to portray. 2 years ago, after manager Lou Piniella resigned, he was replaced by 3rd base coach Mike Quade. Quade had a good September and Dempster was publicly campaigning for Quade to get the job full time. He did, and Quade, as we would soon learn, was in way over his head. He let the veterans run the team until it crumbled in on itself. We would soon learn that Dempster liked Quade because he could do as he pleased. At least, until June 8, 2011. On that day, Dempster didn't get his way, and Quade pulled him from a game against the Pirates against Dempster's wishes. Instead of acting like an adult, Dempster went into the dugout and went on a belligerent tirade in the dugout on national television. Fast forward back to this year. Earlier this season, Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer sat Dempster down and asked him about his willingness to accept a trade, as the team tried to rebuild. Epstein has to get Dempster's permission, as he had 10-5 rights. This means any player in baseball who had 10 years of service time and 5 years with the same team had the right to veto any trade. Dempster said he would accept a trade if it helped the team better and gave the team a list of approved teams. It was quickly learned that the LA Dodgers were Dempster's first choice, as his best friend and former teammate Ted Lilly is on the team. Epstein tried to negotiate with the Dodgers, but was unable to receive any fair offers. They also knew they were Dempster's first choice and felt they had the leverage. They were right, as Dempster should have never gone public with his desire to prefer LA. As the trade deadline approached, it was clear the Cubs were not going to receive a fair offer from the Dodgers for Dempster. About a week before the deadline, the Cubs received a high amount of interest from one of Dempster's other approved teams, the Atlanta Braves. Epstein told Dempster that the Dodgers was not a realistic option and that he should get ready to make a decision on the Braves in the coming days. A few days later, the Cubs and Braves reached an agreement that would send Dempster in exchange for 22 year old pitching prospect Randall Delgado. Epstein just had to get Dempster to rubber stamp it. However, in the hour that followed a Braves source leaked the information and reports of the trade quickly appeared on Twitter. Dempster reacted defiantly and quickly went on his Twitter to proclaim in all caps, "THERE IS NO TRADE". He rushed into the Cubs locker room and put on his jersey, where reporters were waiting. He quickly announced that he had been blindsided by the trade and felt wronged. Considering he had known for a week that the Dodgers were likely out and the Braves were interested, this was clearly a lie. Cubs fans were quickly disappointed as a great trade for the team was vetoed by Dempster. He told Epstein, "Not now" as he wanted to see if the Dodgers came through on an offer at the deadline. Unfortunately, that's not how trades work. While Dempster took his time, Atlanta grew inpatient and rescinded the trade offer. Instead, the Cubs sent them Paul Maholm and Reed Johnson for 2 lesser known prospects in good faith. The Dodgers continued to low ball the Cubs, assuming that they would have no choice, but to give in and make the trade anyway. In the last 15 minutes before the deadline, the Texas Rangers made an offer of 2 A level players for Dempster, which he approved. This trade was not as good for the Cubs as the Atlanta trade would have been, which destroys his argument that he'd do what's best for the team. No matter what he did or said in the media, he only goal was to end up in LA. His list of teams he was willing to go to turned out to be a farce, and he ended up wasting weeks of time that the Cubs were trying to make trades that never could be. He accepted the Rangers in a panic move, when he finally realized he wasn't going to LA. No one could understand this erratic behavior, except members of the media who held onto a story out of respect. However, the story was confirmed at the trade deadline. As it turns out, recently Dempster had been caught by his wife having an affair with the couple's nanny and was going through a divorce. His wife is from Atlanta, and this was the reason behind his last minute panic over going to a city where much of her family resides. Turns out it wasn't what was best for the Cubs, it was what's best for Dempster. He had made his entire image off being a family man and good teammate, only to have the curtain pulled as his Cubs career came to a close. An even more fitting end to the story, is that Atlanta is a NL team that plays in a pitcher friendly ballpark, which is ideal for Dempster's style of pitching. Instead he goes to a hitter friendly park in Texas and forced to face lineups with real hitters every night. In his first start with Texas last night, Dempster gave up 8 runs in 4 2/3 innings. Shoulda kept it in your pants, Ryan. It would have worked out better for everyone. 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What is in Lester's glove?

https://vine.co/v/hpAnrTTIXLE

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What is in Lester's glove?

https://vine.co/v/hpAnrTTIXLE

Wow

This looks bad for Lester


People Are Freaking Out About The Green Stuff In Jon Lester's Glove During Game 1 Of The World Series
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The Red Sox easily beat the Cardinals in game one of the World Series 8-1 behind the strong pitching performance of Jon Lester. But after a weird green spot was seen in his glove, a lot of people now think Lester was cheating.

There was a spot in Lester's glove that did appear to be green on television and was easily seen throughout the game. But there is also reason to doubt that Lester was cheating.

First of all, here is one shot of the glove from the game with what appears to be a large green spot...
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Lester appeared to touch that spot at least once during the game prior to throwing a pitch. Also notice that when Lester then adjusts his hat, he does not touch his cap with his first finger...


Here it is in slow-motion. It does appear that Lester goes out of his way to touch that spot in his glove with just his first finger...
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But there is reason to doubt that Lester was up to no good. Why would Lester put something so brightly colored in his glove and make a spot so large that it was so easy to see?

But here is an AP photograph of the glove showing that the spot may not have been as brightly colored as it appeared on television. However, this photo does nothing to dispel the thought that something was on the glove that did not belong there...

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We will probably never know if Lester was cheating during the World Series. At the very least there is reason to be suspicious. However, there is also reason to doubt he was up to no good.



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Red Sox's Jon Lester is the latest pitcher who has been dragged into a non-controversy

BOSTON – Let's get past the feigned shock and horror and disillusionment of the little gloop of whatever-it-was that showed up in Jon Lester's glove during Game 1 of the World Series, because that's all the reaction is: the ugly marriage of fandom and bluster that's more than willing to overlook the facts of modern baseball.

Fact: Lester and his Red Sox teammates have used BullFrog sunscreen, which, when mixed with rosin, creates a tacky substance that enhances a pitcher's grip on the ball. BullFrog was seen in the Red Sox's dugout during the division series at Tropicana Field – a domed stadium.

Fact: Major League Baseball is well aware of this and does not consider it an issue despite rules about foreign substances because pitchers, hitters, coaches, managers and executives agree that a substance used to better a pitcher's grip, as opposed to doctor a ball or make it dip and dive in unnatural directions, is within the confines of the rules.

Fact: This is not just the Red Sox. Repeat: This is not just the Red Sox. Almost every other pitcher in the major leagues – the St. Louis Cardinals included – use some sort of trick to get better grip, whether it's a dab of pine tar, licking fingers or other methods of subterfuge.

Fact: If Lester were throwing a Vaseline ball, as Cardinals minor leaguer Tyler Melling alleged, the team would have done one of two things: 1) Talk about it or 2) Seek vigilante justice by having one of their pitchers hit Dustin Pedroia or David Ortiz. The time was especially ripe to do so in a blowout. The Cardinals didn't do either.
It is easy to gin up controversy, especially during the World Series, but what Lester did is not worth bellyaching over. MLB isn't looking into it. The Cardinals aren't taking any sort of action with the league. Inside the game, a little bit of sunscreen – or Cramer Firm Grip or whatever it was – is not worthy of a second glance, let alone a conniption.

Perhaps there will come a point at which fans understand this. Probably not, because baseball history is littered with spitballers. They're romanticized in movies (Eddie Harris is the best) and they're in the Hall of Fame (here's lookin' at you, Gaylord Perry) and everybody loves a good cheating story, whether it's Jason Grimsley crawling through the air duct to retrieve Albert Belle's corked bat or Kenny Rogers' mystery substance during the World Series – against the Cardinals, of course.

All of this will blow over because it's something that shouldn't be an issue in the first place. A kid got a little overzealous, a fan base reeling from a miserable loss got a little overexcited and all of a sudden you'd think BullFrog sunscreen was powerful enough to take down dictators around the world.

Sometime next year, of course, when a starter paints his arm with sunscreen indoors like Clay Buchholz did earlier this year, or when another pitcher happens to leave a big enough glob on his glove for HD cameras to capture the sheen, false outrage will rumble through Twitter for a couple hours until it comes to its natural conclusion.

Which is, and should always be, this: If you're gonna complain, at least save it for some real cheating.

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The key to beating Wacha.. is take pitches .....and go to the opposite field

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The key to beating Wacha.. is take pitches .....and go to the opposite field

I don't know Walt, he throws a lotta strikes


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The key to beating Wacha.. is take pitches .....and go to the opposite field

I don't know Walt, he throws a lotta strikes

Swinging or called???

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Walt Williams Neck wrote:
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The key to beating Wacha.. is take pitches .....and go to the opposite field

I don't know Walt, he throws a lotta strikes

Swinging or called???

I'm probably including swinging in my thought.

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The key to beating Wacha.. is take pitches .....and go to the opposite field

I don't know Walt, he throws a lotta strikes

Swinging or called???

I'm probably including swinging in my thought.

Napoli just walked

His best pitch is that shit
in the dirt that guys chase

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Yeah but he gets out of trouble with that high fastball. Its either a strike or popped up


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Yeah but he gets out of trouble with that high fastball. Its either a strike or popped up

if you don't swing its a ball

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Dammit Darkside, the board has finally found a common enemic in spandex-clad pelotonabees. Why you gotta go there? ;)

Answer my question!

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Dammit Darkside, the board has finally found a common enemic in spandex-clad pelotonabees. Why you gotta go there? ;)

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