His hands were sweaty? Use a f-g towel, you dope!

Stink, Nas, and Irish Boy are welcome to tell me why I shouldn't be angry.

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Because it's preseason, and because I'm sure you have plenty of Woodford Reserve in the cabinet.

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"Rex is our quarterback"

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You can be angry. Hell, I was angry- I heard people goggling in my dorm hall because I was swearing and screaming at the TV. I just don't think it will be a harbinger of future performance.

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Griese will and can take the Bears further than Grossman ever will. Griese is a proven veteran and the rest of the team will follow him. He is not perfect but Griese has much more credibility as an NFL starter than Grossman. Lovie better figure this out because otherwise..... if he continues with Grossman....he will lose the veterans and the rest of the team. He fumbled snaps in the Super Bowl and had all offseason to work on it. The QB-Center exchange is the most basic of football skills.

[/quote]I just don't think it will be a harbinger of future performance.[/quote]

Please explain why he will get it right when the season starts. I suppose Moises Alou will start to understand the concept of baserunning also.

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I will give Grossman 3 regular season games. It is still preseason. It's a concern, but its preseason. It's like when your ace gets lit up in a spring training game. It's an issue, but you don't panic.

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I didn't care about what actually happened in the game. The thing that was very disappointing for me was the fact that Bad Rex came back. How many years does he have to be in the league before he learns that he has to keep his head in the game.

It was obvious that his head was not in the game. If it's not fumbled snaps, it is bad passes, normal fumbles, or other things that find a way to snowball. He has the physical tools to get it done, and some of his passes looked really good.

I see nothing to change my mind that mentally Rex Grossman does not have what it takes to be a consistent NFL QB. I'm giving him a game or two in the regular season before making a judgment, but that's what got me down yesterday.

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Because he only had 7 fumbles one year ago during the regular season, that's why. I trust the numbers more than my lying eyes. And how does seven compare to the best QBs in the game?

Mark Brunell had 5 fumles in 10 games
Marc Bulger had 5 fumbles in 16 games
Jay Cutler had 8 fumbles in 5 games
Jake Delhomme had 6 fumbles in 13 games
Brett Farve had 7 fumbles in 16 games
Jeff Garcia had 6 fumbles in 8 games
Jon Kitna had 11 fumbles in 16 games
Matt Leinart had 8 fumbles in 12 games
J.P. Losman had 13 fumbles in 16 games
Eli Manning had 9 fumbles in 16 games
Carson Palmer had 15(!) fumbles in 16 games (note- Carson Palmer had more INTs + fumbles than Grossman last year)
Steve McNair had 7 fumbles in 16 games
Chad Pennington had 7 in 16 games
Philip Rivers had 8 in 16 games
Tony Romo only had 8 in 11- I apologize for misremembering earlier.
Vince Young had 9 fumbles in 15 games

And in Brian Griese's last 17 starts (2004 and 2005 seasons), he has... 7 fumbles!

I'm more concerned about interceptions than fumbles. I'm way more concerned about teams jumping on that short slant route, a la last night. I'm just not too worried about the snap exchange. Maybe I'm stupid for thinking so.

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Bad Rex is a bit of a stretch. Bad Rex would have been 2-11 with 2 picks and the 2 fumbles. I can't say I was happy with his overall performance but if he hangs onto the ball, he's had a good game.

i think the 9-11 was a bit deceiving. I didnt see him make any impressive throws all night, and I would have to categorically say that it was Bad Rex. Even without the three fumbles, he still had a subpar game imo

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The Berrian throw was very impressive. One of the incompletes was a good incomplete as well- one of the throwaway variety. Of course, the other was the INT. He should have been 10-12 with one TD and one INT, as Moose got mugged on the goal line out pattern that would have been a touchdown.

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You didn't like the scramble out of the pocket completion to Berrian on the sidelines?

Here's a hypothesis for the statistically inclined among you (Irish Boy?)

I appreciate the comparison of fumble numbers, but I'd suggest you put it side by side with QB ratings for the games in which fumbles occurred. I contend that with Grossman you will see that the games in which he fumbles he completely falls apart and very low QB ratings will support that. I'd say do a spreadsheet like this for each QB.

| Game | # of Fumbles | QB Rating |

Then come up with average rating for the games in which fumbles took place. This would give you a less misleading picture than just a straight up comparison based on the number of fumbles.

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Irish Boy brought that up too, I was not overly impressed, it was a good throw yes, but nothing that would make up for the lack of concentration and focus. I am surprised that it is not abundantly clear to ALL Bears fans, only some, that Rex should not be your guy. I dont know if Griese is or not, but Rex is completely wrong for this type of offense. He is a gunslinger that loses focus way way too often. I think he has talent and can play in the NFL, but he will destruct this offense in January, or worse February, and there will still be fans after the season saying "Just give him one more year, hes still learning"

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It's not the fumbles that are a problem. You can look at those other QBs and see guys who throw a lot or get sacked a lot, and they'll have the ball knocked loose a number of times. It happens.

Rex's problem is that he fumbles the snap. It's not that he is prone to having the ball knocked loose (though, IMO, he is), it's that he can't handle the snap. Seriously, I don't see how anyone can rationalize that. He has problems handling the snap with disturbing frequency.

What's more, you know without a doubt that this guy has made a concerted effort to correct that problem, and you've already seen that he is unable. He can't correct the problem. Why would you think that will magically change all of a sudden?

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I can only imagine at which which futile enterprise Matt has focused all of his anger and vitriol at during his time away from the board. My first guess? Glaciers.

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You're mostly correct, Coach- there's a .628 correlation between interceptions and fumbles during the regular season for Grossman last year. This could mean that it's a mental thing, or it could mean that something separate is causing it (strong pass rush? I'll note that Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis pretty much had their way with Fred Miller and John St. Clair last night.)

I'm also noting a discrepancy between the fumbles charted by my Pro Football Prospectus and the official stats. This means that one of the fumbles was either questionable, or not the fault of Rex (backwards lateral? Poor handoff? I can't remember- does anyone else remember a play like this during the year? All the stats I provided are from the PFP 2007, which keeps stats in a more sensical manner than the official stats- hail mary interceptions are counted as incompletes, for example.)

Even more amazing, of the 8 fumbles, five were lost. What games were they lost in? 2 vs. Arizona, 1 vs. Miami, 1 vs. NE, and 1 vs. Green Bay in December. The three fumbles recovered were vs. Detroit, NYG, and SF. Blowouts heal all wounds and memories, I suppose (I can't remember the fumbles in any of those games.)

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I didn't say he would lead them to the playoffs, did I?
Griese has proven that he can take a snap from the center.
Don't be fooled By Grossman leading the Bears to the playoffs........didn't Kyle Orton lead the Bears to the playoffs?
I have liked and been supportive of Grossman but after last night....and the excuses that he made........ my support is waning. There is a small window of opportunity for the Bears to win the Super Bowl. It would be stupid to wait around and see if "Rex is our guy" at the expense of losing football games. The Bears have a solid team with a glaring weakness at QB. The QB doesn't have to be great....just don't fuck it up. Move the chains and do not turn the ball over, be happy to punt the ball and let the defense take over and get better field position than before.

And Nas............ the next time you are on your knees blowing Rex Grossman in your dreams......remember this......I don't think Brian Griese has ever had a 1.6 QB Rating for a game.

consistently

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Well Nas, we'll see won't we. I think your judgement has been clouded by all the Grossman cock you have been sucking the last 2 years. Do you really believe that Grossman led the Bears to the Super Bowl? He was the starting QB.....but he didn't lead them there.
I had hope that Rex would be better this year....but after last night.......it is clear that he is not the man.......and soon....the veterans on the team will feel the same way.

I think that you may be overblowing that statement a bit. Rex has gone several games last season without fumbling a snap. Same in college. While it is a problem that needs to be corrected, it's not happening every game.

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its one problem among many similar problems that speaks to his lack of focus and concentration. That is pretty much the overall problem. I, like many people I presume, do not doubt his lack of talent. He needs to focus more and be a more mature decision maker as well. Like I said earlier, he is a bad fit for the Bears offense.

The fumbled snaps may not be happening every game but they happen more often to him than pretty much any other QB I have watched in the league.

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Agreed 100%. I like Rex Grossman. I think he is a Super Bowl-winning calibar QB. However you simply CANNOT fumble three times in ANY game capacity simply because your hands are "sweaty".

Again, I like Rex Grossman. After last night, Griese is the better QB at this moment in time.

And there's proof that it can be corrected, even if it is at "problem" levels. While I'm not saying Rex is anywhere near the equivalent player for his position that Tiki Barber was, he was able to overcome a far more drastic and long-standing case of butterfingers.

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Fred Miller's apparent deterioration at right tackle combined with Grossman's lack of pocket awareness, size and athleticism scares me quite a bit. If opposing teams start abusing Miller, Grossman has none of the physical attributes or skills necessary to extricate himself from difficult situations. And when he starts a game poorly, he has a difficult time pulling himself out of tailspins, especially if defenses stay aggressive.

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Don't get me wrong Nas... in the long run, Rex Grossman is a better QB than Brian Griese. I just can't stand watching Rex continue to make rookie mistakes at this point in his career. There is no middle ground with the guy; he is either extremely good or really, really bad. He doesn't throw one interception... he throws an interception and fumbles three times in one half (if that).

I know he's your guy, Nas, but the Bears need to decide if they want to gamble AGAIN and hope Rex is good at the right times... or go with someone a little more consistent. I fully anticipate them choosing Rex.

To be fair, Grossman did make significant contributions in the Seattle and New Orleans games. If it wasn't for his performance, SB 41 wouldn't have featured a certain football team from a certain midwestern town that starts with a ... sorry, it was hard to resist.

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This is the very reason that Rex has not received new papah. The Bears want to see him prove himself and not shit the bed as much as everyone here does (or do they?).

The first/next time they bench Rex because of his play will be the last you see of him here, as he will no longer be a Bear after this season.

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