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I cant argue with that Nas.

If Cutler isnt the answer then who is? At this point I'll take the devil I know vs the one I dont. Sid Luckman isn't walking thru that door.

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Whole lotta rampant speculation going on in this thread. People heal at different speeds. It's possible the injury wasn't as serious as our crack local media reported.

If you honestly think Trestman is going to start an unhealthy Jay over McCown then I can't help you.

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If you honestly think Trestman is going to start an unhealthy Jay over McCown then I can't help you.


Who can help us, then, dammit??!??

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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If you honestly think Trestman is going to start an unhealthy Jay over McCown then I can't help you.


Who can help us, then, dammit??!??


I was going to say you...

Now, we are definitely boned.

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Northside_Dan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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If you honestly think Trestman is going to start an unhealthy Jay over McCown then I can't help you.


Who can help us, then, dammit??!??


I was going to say you...

Now, we are definitely boned.


Oh, of course, how silly of me.

I'll buy the stadium, close it, and blow it up. Give me a minute.

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Lotta bad thoughts here. Doctors cleared him, that's not a decision Cutler makes. Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready. If he didn't, Josh would play. Anything else would be Trestman purposefully sabotaging his own team which makes absolutely no sense at all.

If Trestman thought Josh was a better option this weekend, he would play.


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It'll be interesting to see if Trestman will have the balls to pull Cutler if he's ineffective .

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Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready.


Did you watch those practice throws? He must have really cranked it up the rest of the time.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready.


Did you watch those practice throws? He must have really cranked it up the rest of the time.


It seem to me that he wasn't moving poorly. The drill was a pocket movement drill, not a throwing drill. The passes he let go were 5 yard passes to the back up QB's standing in a semi-circle. He's not going to fire them in there and possibly break some fingers.

His lateral movement looked good. When he was just walking, there was no limp. He looks fine to me to play.

If you want to argue if he will play well, who knows. This is Jay Cutler. He's been known to be god-awful whether he is hurt or not.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready.


Did you watch those practice throws? He must have really cranked it up the rest of the time.


The drill had nothing to do with the throw, it was to practice footwork moving around the pocket.


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OK, I guess it's just me but he looked like he was favoring it pretty hard.

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Jay said the injury is "completely gone." Trestman pretty much said the same thing:


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Although backup Josh McCown excelled in relief against the Redskins and Packers, Trestman said that no consideration was given to resting Cutler for another week. The Bears coach also revealed that the offense will not be limited in any way with Cutler under center.

"Not at all," Trestman said. "He's been cleared to play and if he couldn't do everything that a quarterback has to do in a game on an NFL Sunday, then he wouldn't be out there. As I said, he's been cleared because the doctors believe that there's nothing that he can't do physically to play the position. We would never put him out there if he wasn't cleared to do everything."

Cutler acknowledged that he can drive the ball down the field and is not hindered by the injury.

"If I wasn't back to 100 percent or they had any doubts, I wouldn't have been practicing today," he said. "That was the stipulation. They were going to let Josh have another crack at it and I was going to have to sit this one out."


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I suppose drugs can kill enough pain to be normal.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
Lotta bad thoughts here. Doctors cleared him, that's not a decision Cutler makes. Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready. If he didn't, Josh would play.
Thanks for the recap of what obviously happened.
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Anything else would be Trestman purposefully sabotaging his own team which makes absolutely no sense at all.
What? The head coach is playing his starting QB who says he is ready to go. What are you talking about?

So, if Cutler is bad this weekend, we won't hear you or anyone else using injuries as an excuse?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Lotta bad thoughts here. Doctors cleared him, that's not a decision Cutler makes. Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready. If he didn't, Josh would play.
Thanks for the recap of what obviously happened.
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Anything else would be Trestman purposefully sabotaging his own team which makes absolutely no sense at all.
What? The head coach is playing his starting QB who says he is ready to go. What are you talking about?

So, if Cutler is bad this weekend, we won't hear you or anyone else using injuries as an excuse?


Check with the experts.

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Tresty should tell Jay that he is a spectator this Sunday & Josh is starting. No need to rush him back into action, especially against Suh.

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Cutler feels like he needs to be out there but I think this is a bad idea. This might be the make or break game. Ihave a feeling that if he sucks it's all over for him here.


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Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Lotta bad thoughts here. Doctors cleared him, that's not a decision Cutler makes. Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready. If he didn't, Josh would play.
Thanks for the recap of what obviously happened.
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Anything else would be Trestman purposefully sabotaging his own team which makes absolutely no sense at all.
What? The head coach is playing his starting QB who says he is ready to go. What are you talking about?

So, if Cutler is bad this weekend, we won't hear you or anyone else using injuries as an excuse?


Check with the experts.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:26 am 
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What are you talking about?


Referring to Nas saying:

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I know he's trying to show his toughness so he can earn another contract but it just isn't smart.


He's implying this decision is Jay's and subsequently suggesting Jay is rushing to get back because of his contract. It's not Jay's decision. It's Trestman's. And the medical staff cleared him and said he can do 100% of what he has to physically.


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Not a surprising decision really. After 40 years of awful QB decisions the Bears can't help themselves from piling on. The NFC North treasures Cutler and his mediocrity. Glad the Bears have decided they don't want to win the division. No complaints from this Packers fan.


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He's implying this decision is Jay's and subsequently suggesting Jay is rushing to get back because of his contract. It's not Jay's decision. It's Trestman's.
Of course it is Jay's decision. If Jay said he didn't think he was ready yet would Trestman say "No, you are playing?" when Cutler is coming back ahead of schedule.

It seems obvious that Cutler has told them he is good to go.

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I don't get why everyone is assuming he's not healthy? How is it rushing back if the doctors clear him? I can't remember a Chicago athlete held so such impossible standards by fans in my entire life.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Lotta bad thoughts here. Doctors cleared him, that's not a decision Cutler makes. Trestman watched practice and decided Cutler was ready. If he didn't, Josh would play.
Thanks for the recap of what obviously happened.
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Anything else would be Trestman purposefully sabotaging his own team which makes absolutely no sense at all.
What? The head coach is playing his starting QB who says he is ready to go. What are you talking about?

So, if Cutler is bad this weekend, we won't hear you or anyone else using injuries as an excuse?


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It wasn't funny the first 100 times you tried this joke, but keep trying I guess.


It's not supposed to be funny to you. I'm surprised you would even post on a message board like this. How has BF's reaction been?

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Bucky Chris wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What are you talking about?


Referring to Nas saying:

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I know he's trying to show his toughness so he can earn another contract but it just isn't smart.


He's implying this decision is Jay's and subsequently suggesting Jay is rushing to get back because of his contract. It's not Jay's decision. It's Trestman's. And the medical staff cleared him and said he can do 100% of what he has to physically.


So it's Trestman and the medical staff that's forcing him back? So if Culter looks hurt and plays bad on Sunday we blame them instead of Cutler? What is the right way to look at this?

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I don't get why everyone is assuming he's not healthy? How is it rushing back if the doctors clear him? I can't remember a Chicago athlete held so such impossible standards by fans in my entire life.


What is the impossible standard? How long have you been alive?

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Nas wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What are you talking about?


Referring to Nas saying:

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I know he's trying to show his toughness so he can earn another contract but it just isn't smart.


He's implying this decision is Jay's and subsequently suggesting Jay is rushing to get back because of his contract. It's not Jay's decision. It's Trestman's. And the medical staff cleared him and said he can do 100% of what he has to physically.


So it's Trestman and the medical staff that's forcing him back? So if Culter looks hurt and plays bad on Sunday we blame them instead of Cutler? What is the right way to look at this?


There is literally one way to look at it.

Jay has said he is 100% healthy.

Trestman has said he is 100% healthy.

The medical staff has said he is 100% healthy.



Why wouldn't he come back? If he was 50%, or 75% percent... there would be a discussion. Everyone involved has said there is literally nothing holding him back. He is 100%!


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Why wouldn't he come back? If he was 50%, or 75% percent... there would be a discussion. Everyone involved has said there is literally nothing holding him back. He is 100%!
Just wait until Sunday and laugh at us when Jay has a great game.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
Nas wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
What are you talking about?


Referring to Nas saying:

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I know he's trying to show his toughness so he can earn another contract but it just isn't smart.


He's implying this decision is Jay's and subsequently suggesting Jay is rushing to get back because of his contract. It's not Jay's decision. It's Trestman's. And the medical staff cleared him and said he can do 100% of what he has to physically.


So it's Trestman and the medical staff that's forcing him back? So if Culter looks hurt and plays bad on Sunday we blame them instead of Cutler? What is the right way to look at this?


There is literally one way to look at it.

Jay has said he is 100% healthy.

Trestman has said he is 100% healthy.

The medical staff has said he is 100% healthy.



Why wouldn't he come back? If he was 50%, or 75% percent... there would be a discussion. Everyone involved has said there is literally nothing holding him back. He is 100%!


Thanks for clearing this up!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Why wouldn't he come back? If he was 50%, or 75% percent... there would be a discussion. Everyone involved has said there is literally nothing holding him back. He is 100%!
Just wait until Sunday and laugh at us when Jay has a great game.


Jay having a good or bad game has nothing to do with this. He could be horrible and be 100% healthy.


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I'm trying to understand the standard you guys want to implement. How long after being medically cleared and deemed 100% is it ok to come back and play? Should you have to wait one extra game after being medically cleared and deemed 100%?


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