Isn't part of his badness the fact that no one, especially anyone here, has the slightest idea of how he'll be at any given point.
He might be good. He might be bad.

Inconsistancy is not acceptable from a Pro QB.
You need to have certain givens out of that position, if you intend to contend.

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Exhibit A: The Arizona game.

The Bears are going to get turnovers whether they are up 21 or down 21.

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OK I thought you meant attack more on offense with a big lead. But still I am not sure how that is relevant when it comes to Rex. I agree the D can be more aggressive when they have a big lead, but I dont know if that matters when it comes to Rex.

Being inconsistent at the QB position is the worst of all positions. You need steady poised leadership. Thats why the Ravens did so well last year without a "star" on offense. I understand the offense was terrible against Indy but they played terribly and stayed with 3 of the SB champs. If that game is played 10 times, Ravens win 7 of them. They have the right idea though, when it comes to the QB position. Instead of some young gunslinger who makes alot of great TD throws AND alot of terrible, "WTF were you thinking" INTs, they need a veteran who is poised and runs the offense efficiently, if not excitingly. I dont know if Griese can provide that, but thats why you see his name being brought up, because he SEEMS like that type of QB

"Rex is our Quarterback"

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Average:09/10 @GB W 26-0 Yes 26 18 69.2 262 1 1
Great:09/17 DET W 34-7 Yes 27 20 74.1 289 4 0
Average:09/24 @MIN W 19-16 Yes 41 23 56.1 278 1 2
Great:10/01 SEA W 37-6 Yes 31 17 54.8 232 2 0
Great:10/08 BUF W 40-7 Yes 27 15 55.6 182 2 0
Bad:10/16 @ARI W 24-23 Yes 37 14 37.8 144 0 4
Great:10/29 SF W 41-10 Yes 29 23 79.3 252 3 0
Bad:11/05 MIA L 13-31 Yes 42 18 42.9 210 1 3
Great:11/12 @NYG W 38-20 Yes 30 18 60.0 246 3 1
Average:11/19 @NYJ W 10-0 Yes 22 11 50.0 119 1 0
Bad:11/26 @NE L 13-17 Yes 34 15 44.1 176 0 3
Bad:12/03 MIN W 23-13 Yes 19 6 31.6 34 0 3
Average:12/11 @STL W 42-27 Yes 23 13 56.5 200 2 0
Great:12/17 TB W 34-31 Yes 44 29 65.9 339 2 0
Average:12/24 @DET W 26-21 Yes 36 20 55.6 197 1 0
Bad:12/31 GB L 7-26 Yes 12 2 16.7 33 0 3

By my count, here it goes:
Great: 6 games
Average: 5 games
Bad: 5 games

It's not scientific and I'm sure it can be nitpicked, but I tried to make a great game be either 200+ yards with no int's or 3+ td's. This did not figure in fumbles.

Edit: By the way, Buffalo and Stl should probably be switched, but it doesn't affect the numbers. They are both borderline great games. My criteria sets the bar low for a great game.

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I completely disagree. Griese could have thrown for 8 TDs against GB but it was basically a meaningless game and as Lovie would say....

The fact is Rex has too many of those Paul Crew "I better throw this game or else the Warden will blame me for Caretaker's death" games to justify starting him with this team. Hes the type of QB that belongs on a rebuilding team so he can build and mature with them. Put him on a veteran team ready to win a super bowl, and youll see alot of the same season ending performances like last year's super bowl performance. I wonder how many times he needs to implode in the playoffs and single handedly torpedo the SB chances of the rest of the guys before he either matures mentally or is traded. I doubt very much you will ever be able to have Rex and that trophy in the same picture without the use of photoshop

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I do not know why Nas has such a hard on for Griese...........his career stats are better.......he has been on a super bowl winning team (even though he held a clipboard) and has been to the pro bowl. Why the love for Rex? Griese is not great....or even close to a franchise QB.......but neither is Rex..... nor will he ever be.

As for the playoffs:
Average:Seattle-R. Grossman 21/38 282 1 1
Average:NO-R. Grossman 11/26 144 1 0
Bad:Ind-R. Grossman 20/28 165 1 2

That gives my total to be
Average: 7
Bad: 6
Great:6

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That implies he likes Griese. His hard on is reserved for Rex. He pretty much hates Griese, probably because hes the one QB of the other 2 on the roster with the credentials to imply giving him the nod over Rex

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I can't call a game where you have as many int's as td's a great game. You also can't look at a season like I did and make individual exceptions like that. I am sure that somewhere else he had a sure interception get dropped.

It balances out over the 19 games. I also know that there are some small inconsistencies in my criteria, but it shows the point.

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After looking at Rick's list I dont see/remember one game from last year, and I did watch every one of them despite my team affiliation, that supports that claim

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que the MNF music...

Football season really does dwarf every other part of the year. couple more weeks....

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You nailed it. But they wont need him to win a game for them if Rex isnt there the first 3 quarters burying them into a deep hole like the Arizona game last year. They need someone to NOT LOSE them games, and try to re-establish a strong running game with TJ gone and Benson in, and keep the defense as healthy and fresh as possible for January.

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Yeah but like Vin Diesel says, It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning. Blowouts in september dont mean shit when you cant hold onto the ball in February, when it really matters.

So Griese cant come through in the clutch, well I wont argue with you there, but neither can Rex. So if you want a poised QB in the 4th quarter, you're only other option is Orton....

sounds like they might want to trade for a new QB then. I still believe Griese gives them the best chance of winning, although that is mostly due to Rex's inability rather than Griese's ability.

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A quote from the great Vin Diesel...

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I found it funny too, I was actually laughing as I posted it but what the hell, i think it fits and, embarrassingly, it is the first quote that came into my mind when I read the post

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I love how Rex Grossman can turn seemingly normal people into complete lunatics (myself included.) We're going to be exhausted by the beginning of the season.

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Agreed.... Imagine after he throws 4 INTs in the NFC championship game....

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This thread is going to dwarf Late Night With Stu, OG and every Ugueth Friday thread all combined at the rate it's going by the end of the season.

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I cant wait for week 1.... Merriman finishes with 5 sacks and 4 FF and this thread gets bumped and brought up to 58 pages by monday morning, and yes, it will still be "Rex is our quarterback"

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If Merriman does finish with that stat line,

a) Rex will not be the quarterback, he will be a vegetable

and

b) John Tait and Fred Miller will be mailed matador's capes.

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Oh, well thats good then. At first I thought Rex's job might not be safe, but if it takes two games to bench him, then he must be the one

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I've already done a Google image search for "Turnoverasaurus," but came up empty. It'll take the initiative of actually photoshopping a brand new Turnoverasaurus.

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Matt, I liked the one with Grossman on his hands and knees.

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Yeah, I couldn't deny that he was playing well, but I wasn't necessarily convinced he was a good qb. I'm still not. He can throw the long ball, though, if he's protected. And if the Bears get a lead early, they're very, very difficult to beat. If things don't get off to a good start, though, Rex is a horrible qb to have in the game.

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Good call; that one was easy to find (first image on the Google search, in fact ).

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That picture is too damn funny

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