We had just brought home my newborn son from the hospital. Some relatives came to visit including one guy who was my age (20-something). The dude pulled out a cigarette right next to my new baby. I told him to put it out. I heard later he got pissed I told him that. Flash forward 30 years,he' dead from lung cancer. I have never smoked because it just seemed weird to me why I would want to do that to myself.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

The interesting thing is that people seem to think that being in a car is a private thing when in reality it is one of the most public things we engage in. I think there is a better case to be made for banning smoking in cars than there is banning smoking in restaurants.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

i would like to hear your case

Why do you give a shit what I do in my car? A friend of mine worked for Nalco and they had a rule that you couldn't smoke in your car in their parking lot. I would have quit that job in a second. It's just more power for the 1%. I would compare it to blue laws. The working man was busting his ass six days a week and the wealthy who could drink anytime didn't want him to have a beer on his only day off. Most laws are nothing more than disguised attacks on the American working man.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Driving almost always takes place on public property whereas restaurants are almost always private property. While it probably isn't as bad as texting, smoking is yet another distraction for a driver. There is no avoiding a person smoking next to you at a stoplight. I can avoid a bar that allows smoking but I can't really avoid stoplights.

I love that smoking is banned in pretty much every public place though.

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Good point.

Single-parent households are usually very bad for children.

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Fuck you, Rick. I don't wanna hear you bumping Nelly at the stoplight either.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Your smoke effects me too. That's ultimately the problem with smoking. It is a habit that also effects those around you. If someone wants to eat a tabacco brownie in his car then go for it.
This doesn't have to be the answer to everything. Save this kind of stuff for real injustices.

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It is an injustice. The guy making the law smokes at his pleasure.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Agreed. Music should be at a volume that doesn't effect others.

At least I won't make you less healthy with Nelly.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You are affecting my central nervous system when you blare "Hot in Herre". Besides that, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that a waft of smoke from my car is any more unhealthy than the pungent scent of your Drakkar Noir.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

Smoking is terrible for the lower and middle class and they've been abused by tobacco companies for massive profit. All of a sudden it's an attack on the lower class to make it harder to smoke?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You are a second hand smoke denier?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think that might be overstating it

Adam Carolla is.

At least he claims there is no proof anyone died from it.

No. I was just making the point that if I did he wouldn't ride a mini-bike. I don't smoke either.

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Ecclesiastes 5:8

If a parent is gonna smoke in a car with a little kid than banning that isn't gonna solve the problem. Just like regulating the size of a soda you can buy isn't going to affect the obesity problem.

What's worse for a kid: cage fighting or being in a car with a smoker with the window open? Why aren't we banning the three million kids who are cage fighters in this country from their hobby? It's for the children.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Now I can't wait for my dad and step mom to bitch about getting tickets for smoking with my 8 year old brother in the car.

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This law is downright shortsighted.
If a parent smokes in the car with the kid, you know damn well and good they're smoking at home with the kid. And I wager they spend 20x more time in the home with the kid than the car.
This probably does almost nothing to protect a kid. Practically nada.
What it does do is create opportunity to separate someone from their money and boy does it sound like a righteous way to do it!

Want to separate more money from people? OK! LETS DO IT!
Smoking in a car in a school zone? $250!
Smoking in a car "on school days when children are present" (Always loved that one, ambiguous enough to allow a child 400 yards away to get you a ticket)

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Smoking while pregnant will remain legal though, correct?

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Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.- JD Vance
If you committed violence on that day, obviously, you shouldn’t be pardoned.- JD Vance on the J-6 insurrectionists

Nope. Gotta ban that too.
Smoking while within 250 yards of a home with children! BAN IT, $250! (first offense)
Smoking within 250 yards of a no smoking zone? $250!

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Does the kid get a choice? Sure the parent will still smoke at home but at least they will get one more place where their parent can't do something that's harmful to their health.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

So we should only have laws that fix 100% of the problem?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That seems to be the major objection. It isn't a perfect solution. What is?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Banning cigarettes.

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We've tried banning things before and it doesn't stop anything. Your neighbor will just sell illegal cigarettes.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!