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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:08 pm 
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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
I don't know. Chad Pennington( heir to the lawn seed empire) had a pretty decent career with average physical skills and defenses set up to frustrate him.


I would have strongly agreed with you 4-5 years ago, or whenever it was that Pennington broke into the league and did quite well. But he's been an afterthought for awhile now. I think he's only starting now in Jacksonville because Gabbert is injured.


Henne is starting

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:09 pm 
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veganfan21 wrote:
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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
Jay Cutler's "physical skills" are overrated. Nick Foles is currently making great throws too multiple times a game. It's time to stop celebrating the fact that Jay Cutler can have a good drive every so often.

Exactly. Looks like nobody is talking about that the offense could put up only 13 points while Cutler was in either.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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veganfan21 wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
I don't know. Chad Pennington( heir to the lawn seed empire) had a pretty decent career with average physical skills and defenses set up to frustrate him.


I would have strongly agreed with you 4-5 years ago, or whenever it was that Pennington broke into the league and did quite well. But he's been an afterthought for awhile now. I think he's only starting now in Jacksonville because Gabbert is injured.

Didn't even know he was still playing was just using him as an example that qb's can be effective without the big arm and limited skill set.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
Jay Cutler's "physical skills" are overrated. Nick Foles is currently making great throws too multiple times a game. It's time to stop celebrating the fact that Jay Cutler can have a good drive every so often.


Cutler's skills are acknowledged throughout the league, though. My argument here is not a pro-Cutler one; I'm just wondering if even you, a guy who is done with Cutler, would start Cutler at 70% over McCown, just because you know Cutler can some throws that McCown cannot. That is what I'm theorizing about Trestman starting Cutler yesterday over McCown. It's less about what Cutler can do, because as you know it's inconsistent, and more about what McCown can't do - especially against a defense that would have watched six quarters of him to prepare.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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Didn't even know he was still playing was just using him as an example that qb's can be effective without the big arm and limited skill set.


My bad. As Nas pointed out, Pennington is not starting in Jacksonville. I confused him with Henne. I agree you don't need a big arm to succeed, but I guess if McCown was one of those guys whose play transcended his skill-set, he wouldn't be a career backup at 34 years old.

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