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I've been saying just about all of this for the past couple of seasons.



In the National Football League, we've seen plenty of turmoil at the quarterback position this season. Already, 46 different QBs have started games; that's just one shy of last year's total, and we've got seven weeks to go. But one of the most significant situations, in my mind, is the injury to Jay Cutler in Chicago. Not so much because of the ramifications for the Bears' playoff chances, but because of the potential impact on Cutler's future with the team.

Cutler's contract expires at the end of the season, meaning this year has been something of a "show me" season for the quarterback in order to earn a contract on par with the NFL's other franchise passers. Often, those deals come in around the $100 million range. Yes, the Bears have the option of giving Cutler the franchise tag, which means a one-year deal. Based on what I've seen from Cutler this season, I simply don't think he's earned a longer deal, and I would not sign him to a big contract this offseason.



That doesn't mean the Bears won't sign him.

Nor does it make Cutler a "bad" quarterback. But what it does mean is that I've seen enough warning signs from Cutler's play that it would scare me away from a long-term, big-money investment.

Let's break it down.


The virtues

In terms of pure arm talent, there may not be a better quarterback in the NFL than Cutler.

Take that first-quarter touchdown pass to Brandon Marshall against the Detroit Lions on Sunday. That was as pretty a throw as you'll see. I'd say there are only a handful of quarterbacks who can make that throw. If you read my column regularly, you'll know I believe a top-flight quarterback has to be able to attack a defense on all three levels. Cutler has the ability to do just that. This season he's 4-of-9 on passes thrown 30-plus yards in the air. Those are the big plays. He's hitting on almost half of those strikes, and he'll continue to hit them as long as he has the weapons to target. That will keep defensive coordinators concerned about the deep ball and keep safeties from creeping up to the line of scrimmage to challenge running back Matt Forte. Cutler can make throws to every level, and to the perimeters.

Now, will we get to see more of the "good" Cutler this season? He is in a hard cast to support his ankle, and the time frame for a potential return is a little cloudy. Josh McCown has filled in competently in Cutler's absence, and if McCown continues to succeed in that replacement role, it will draw even more scrutiny regarding Cutler's future. That's especially true if we continue to notice the absence of some of the recurring troubles that have plagued Cutler to this point in his career as we watch McCown drive the Bears' offense.

The vices

Since entering the league in 2006, Cutler has yet to record a season in which he's put up a better touchdown-to-interception ratio than 1.86; that was his first season in Denver, when he played just five games. His best season for scoring -- 27 touchdowns in 2009 -- was also pockmarked by picks, with 26.


He has averaged 0.6 fumbles per game, a rate that trails only Michael Vick among regular starting quarterbacks with more than three full seasons of experience. His career QBR is 55.7, and he's topped that mark only twice since coming to Chicago, including his mark of 63.2 through Week 10 this season.

I believe many of these shortcomings are the symptoms of what I see on the game film: inconsistent mechanics.

Yes, the Bears have had some poor offensive-line play the past few seasons, but the protection has been above average this season and I'm still seeing poor mechanics from Cutler. Even when that offensive line sets him up with a clean cradle with which to work, he's not setting his feet, he's making poor reads, he's trying to squeeze the ball into nonexistent windows, and he's sometimes delivering the ball from awkward angles when he doesn't have to. Those are not the hallmarks of a franchise quarterback. Also, Cutler continues to hold the ball low, leaving it vulnerable for strips.


This season

The conditions improved for Cutler over the offseason. As noted, the line play has improved after adding draft picks Kyle Long and Jordan Mills, along with free-agent signing Jermon Bushrod. Chicago gave him another big target in tight end Martellus Bennett, and Alshon Jeffery has emerged as a very good No. 2 receiver across from Marshall. Forte is a solid pass-catcher out of the backfield and creates yards after the catch. Add in the coaching of QB specialist and head coach Marc Trestman, and there's not much more Cutler could ask for.

Yes, Cutler's QBR is higher than it's been since 2008, his final season in Denver. But compare that to McCown's QBR, which is at 87.0 after his relief work. The veteran backup has thrown four touchdowns and no interceptions, he hasn't fumbled, and he's averaging 7.69 yards per completion in his three games spelling Cutler.

In terms of rate-based statistics, the only edge Cutler holds over McCown this season is in completion percentage: 63.0 to 60.0. So how much is Cutler carrying the offense and how much is the offense carrying Cutler? That's the question the Bears' front office is going to have to answer this offseason.


The issue is that we're no longer talking about things he can learn. He's 30 years old, in his eighth season with over 100 games to his name. He's played for some very good coaches. At what point do we stop saying, "He's got to show me more," and close the book on him, knowing that for better and worse this is Jay Cutler?


The future

As I mentioned earlier, the numbers and the evidence working against Cutler don't paint him as a bad quarterback. But his inconsistent play and lack of dominance don't suggest he's a championship-caliber quarterback, either. And that's what I'm looking for if I'm running a team.

When I evaluate QBs for my quarterly Big Board, I'm looking for the quarterback who is going to go win a Super Bowl. That's admittedly a high standard, but I can guarantee that's exactly what the NFL's coaches and front offices are looking for, as well. No one's saying, "I want a QB who can lock down that second wild card!"

Of course, the decision on Cutler won't be made with that degree of absolutism. If you let him go, you have to replace him. And as we're seeing around the league right now, that's easier said than done. While the draft may offer some good options this spring, there are no guarantees. And if you go the free-agent route, your options include Vick, Chad Henne, Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman, Kellen Clemens, Matt Flynn and Rex Grossman. Is there a clear upgrade there?

The Bears can use the franchise tag on Cutler, and that may be the route they choose. That would give them another year, with the option of drafting another QB and evaluating him for a season while they see if Cutler can show them more. From my perspective, I haven't seen enough to warrant a big-money commitment. If it's me making the call, I'm not handing Cutler a big contract this offseason.

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I'd offer 3 years max and draft a qb in this upcoming draft; if he refuses, franchise him and still draft a qb

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I'd offer 3 years max and draft a qb in this upcoming draft; if he refuses, franchise him and still draft a qb


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I don't think you'll find a better qb this offseason

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Next year will be a rebuilding year. You know it's true.
Honestly with McCown as "serviceable" as he is, you have two drafts, this years and next, to draft a coupla two tree quarterbacks and find someone to build around.
Say goodbye. he's way too ouchy, he's getting older, and it's not like he cannot be replaced in this system.

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He's gonna get franchised, Nas. Deal with it.


I'm willing to wager they will not franchise him unless he leads them to the playoffs.

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He's getting franchised or a contract.

Contract with some playoff success otherwise a 1-year deal.

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He's getting franchised or a contract.

Contract with some playoff success otherwise a 1-year deal.

Nope. Emery isn't stupid. And I think paying this clown 20 mil is stupid. Even for one year.
They're not going to be competitive next season. Why drown in that kind of money?

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Cutler very well could come back and lead the Bears to the playoffs and possibly a SB but barring that I don't think they will franchise him. They will likely offer him a contract for substantially less money and tell him to take it or leave it. Emery is a very tough negotiator.

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Hope they learn from the ravens


I think everyone here knew that was a terrible contract.

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Nas wrote:
Cutler very well could come back and lead the Bears to the playoffs and possibly a SB but barring that I don't think they will franchise him. They will likely offer him a contract for substantially less money and tell him to take it or leave it. Emery is a very tough negotiator.
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I think he's more of a mixed bag. Forte, Bush, Weems, Melton are all overpaid.


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Aaron Murray. Please. He is the prefect fit for Trestys Offense.

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Nas wrote:
Cutler very well could come back and lead the Bears to the playoffs and possibly a SB but barring that I don't think they will franchise him. They will likely offer him a contract for substantially less money and tell him to take it or leave it. Emery is a very tough negotiator.
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I think he's more of a mixed bag. Forte, Bush, Weems, Melton are all overpaid.



Thanks for trying to get rid of Forte Packer boy.

The rest of that list is free to leave though.

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I think everyone here knew that was a terrible contract.


The Ravens probably knew it too, but after winning a Super Bowl and the way the guy played enroute to it, they were in a tough spot. They pretty much had to sign him. The Bears don't have that problem with Cutler.

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I personally would let him test market and if no one wants him give a 3 year reasonable contract. If he does go Schaub should be available and do just fine in Bears off. Don't forget they can also franchise him to hold him and still do a contract more beneficial to the team if Cutler wants.

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I think the fact that there are serious questions on whether to give a 30 year old quarterback a long term deal is reason enough to think it is time to move on. If Cutler was the future, we'd know for sure. He's an 8 year veteran.

The worst thing the Bears could do is keep Cutler for a year and then draft a quarterback in the third round. Most elite quarterbacks come from the first round, with most of the rest coming from the second round. It would be stupid to wait until the third round and get the 10th best qb prospect.

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Cutler will never win a superbowl, he's just not very good. turnovers lose games n he has consistently shown he's prone to turnovers n injuries . i dont want him on this team after this season. this draft is loaded with qbs, probably 13 will be taken in the first 55 picks. its time to move on...Angelo. overpaid immensely for an average qb.

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honestly there's not a decent picture of a "robo-cutler" or "cutlerbot" or "cutlernator" to be gleamed from google image search because i intended to kind of wave at this thread dropping a picture of THE CUTLER OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!

instead, you'll just have to settle for a funny lil reminder that there's still a contingent of people who want the bum out of town no matter the costs.... you know...

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the kind of people who felt compelled to walk outside soldier field after the 2011 NFC championship game and go burn their cutler jersey. or well, they would but either the cameraman here is a total dumbass or their lighter/s didnt work.

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I'd offer his wife the dick, and that's about it.

He's uncoachable. He can't follow instructions, and he checks out of too many run plays.


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honestly there's not a decent picture of a "robo-cutler" or "cutlerbot" or "cutlernator" to be gleamed from google image search because i intended to kind of wave at this thread dropping a picture of THE CUTLER OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!

instead, you'll just have to settle for a funny lil reminder that there's still a contingent of people who want the bum out of town no matter the costs.... you know...

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the kind of people who felt compelled to walk outside soldier field after the 2011 NFC championship game and go burn their cutler jersey. or well, they would but either the cameraman here is a total dumbass or their lighter/s didnt work.


as a then ~25yo, i hadnt really remembered the 85 season.. but that 2007 superbowl was like tryin to fuck when youre 13. as soon as it starts you completely blow your load then for the next 3 hours youre sitting there twirling your fingers but nothings happening. and then she says "its ok"...

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Fuck you! At that age I would have been able to have sex at least 4 times in that 3 hours.

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