Get out of the way and then what? They're going to win a championship. I remember when the comment was made and it was in the context of the Knicks being a better team not a championship team. That is what I remember. What is interesting is that is there not a person who has commented that disputes that the Knicks have been a better team since this strategy was employed. They won 53 games last year. Can you please tell me the last time the Knicks won that many games? Mid 90's perhaps. Very few if any players win championships all by themself Why is it that Carmelo Anthony is held to a different standard?

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The whole thought was "GET CARMELO THE BALL AND GET OUT OF THE WAY!". That isn't a way to be a legitimate title contender. It never has been. It never will be.

Of course the Knicks have been marginally better but it's pretty much just fools gold. That is the exact point. Build a team and plan your strategy around getting Carmelo as many shots as possible and your team won't matter.

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The Knicks were a 7th seed in the East with Linsanity running full bore. They were a 2nd seed with Carmeloball. There winning percentage was also over 100 points higher. Maybe I am wrong but that does not sound like marginal to me. Winning championships is often a product of who you play with. That is why every good to great player is attempting to recruit other great players. Nothing is refuted it appears that the only thing that I keep hearing is the tired argument of a player is not good because he has not won a championship. Carmelo Anthony finished third in MVP voting but to hear people on this board talk he is merely a player that scores a lot of points on losing teams. He has been in the playoffs every year that he has been in the league. But we must never let the facts get in the way.

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The Knicks weren't, aren't, and never will be a title contender with a plan to just "Get Carmelo the ball and get out of the way". All the rest of this is just pointless arguing.

Yes, if Carmelo had 1 or 2 other superstars they would be, but that's true of pretty much any of the top 30 players in the league.

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The Knicks do not even have another very good player on the roster. They are a collection of role players with one star player. That has never been a recipe for winning a championship. The only thing that I am suggesting is that it is not his fault that they are not a championship contender. He receives too much blame whenever they lose. The guy was #3 in MVP voting. That does not happen unless you contribute mightily to your team's overall success. They probably will never be a championship team. The main reason in my opinion is the fact that they have a $20 million guy who was supposed to be the other star and he has rarely played with him. That point rarely is addressed also. Lebron James ran away from Cleveland because he did not want to be in a similar situation. He realized that he could never when anything playing with role players. He is a champion because he is on a team that consisted of two top 15 players with one a top five player (at the time). It has nothing to do with any arbitrary things such as get him the ball. Kobe Bryant won when he had great players on his team. When he doesn't he barely makes the playoffs.

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Yeah, but when the Knicks thought they may have found a complimentary player who could improve the team, it was dumped on by the "Get the ball to Carmelo and get out of the way" thought. By it's very nature, that thought means don't worry so much about the team and just let Carmelo do it all. I mean, that is literally what it means.

Lin ended up simply being an average player but the thought process is still the same. Let's say for instance that James Harden had been traded to the Knicks instead. Would anyone still say "Get the ball to Carmelo and get out of the way"? Of course not. That is why being so excited by that idea doesn't really make sense. Yes, your team can be slightly improved by it, but does it really matter?

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That is a good point and one that is easily refutable. If James Harden were on the Knicks that would not be the strategy. James Harden is not on the Knicks. Jeremy Lin was. It is interesting that you brought up Harden. That was pretty much the strategy that the Rockets used last year with Lin and Harden get out the way for Harden. Wasn't it.

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Not sure what you are arguing any more. "Get the ball to Carmelo and get out of his way" is a bad strategy. Why hold it against the Knicks for trying something that may work better?

That's the point of this whole thread. Would you rather win a little more with a strategy that will ultimately fail or do you want to try and go for something with a greater chance of true success? Celebrating Meloball over teamball only makes sense if you think Meloball can win. You don't think it can besides some good regular season records.

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Brick's right on this one. My own thought is Carmelo is just not good enough to carry a team to the championship. Great stats, but that's not enough.

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T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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If he's your No. 2 that is one hell of a #2. The only thing that I am arguing and I hate to argue with B&B because I disagree with them on a number of points related to basketball is the context with which it was taken. I dont think that Goff was stating that the Knicks would win a championship if the Knicks simply got him the ball. If he suggested that he is an idiot and I stand corrected. If Carmelo has a viable #2 they would be championship contenders. Its only my opinion. His number# last year was J.R. Smith. He has never played with a #2 that is the quality of Pau Gasol or Dwayne Wade or Paul Pierce Ray Allen or Kevin Garnett. Those three players never one anything until they played together. It is so easy to say this guy will never win anything until they actually have won something. People used to say the same thing about Jordan when he was scoring 37 a game. They said that he would have to stop shooting so much for the team to win. Never mind the fact that they got to the Eastern finals with him shooting and scoring a ton of points. Now he is considered the ultimate competitor the ultimate winner. Garnett never could get out of the first round and Pierce was considered selfish. You win with better players not because of one player. It seems to me that people want to bash Carmelo Anthony because he cannot single handedly carry a team to a championship. Derrick Rose plays with better players yet people in Chicago cannot get enough of saying how needs more help. There were two all stars on last years team and they made it to the second round of the playoffs. Let Anthony go down with a season ending injury and the Knicks dont make the playoffs.

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Signing Carmelo Anthony to a max contract is essentially putting yourself in the same boat as the Bears if they give Cutler the Flacco deal.

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"Get Carmelo the ball and get out of the way".

You can take that however you want. If you think he meant "Get Carmelo the ball and get out of the way(until they get an equally good player and then don't do this)" then go ahead.

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The Knicks have not been serious contenders since 1999. The entire last decade was a joke, from the mess created by Marbury and Thomas, to the false proclamation of Stoudemire that the Knicks are "back" when he signed on as a consolation prize in the free agent race for better players than him. They currently seem to be in a slightly more sophisticated financial and personnel mess than they were back in the mid-2000s, since instead of an overpaid and declining core of Marbury, Francis, and Jerome James, you have Anthony, Stoudemire, and Chandler. I don't even know why Knicks fans bother going to games. What a mess...

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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At the time, I know the Bulls probably would have chosen Stoudamire over Boozer, but thank god that didn't happen.

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With his injury history I'm not sure they would of pulled the trigger for that amount of money at the time.

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I thought I remember him being higher on everyone's list. Boozer was pretty much the consolation prize when the Bulls struck out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, and Stoudamire.

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Is Joe Johnson still the highest paid player on that list?

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Yes, and he got an extra year on that deal because he stayed with Atlanta. I still don't know how Atlanta was able to trade him. That's got to be the greatest trade made in the NBA in the past decade.

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I forgot about that awful Joe Johnson deal. Best thing that happened to NBA is how most contracts can't go over four years now.

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The original Joe Johnson contract, the one before this one, was so huge and so destructive that it transcended the entire sport of professional basketball and killed a hockey team.

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Validating him only encourages him. You'll regret this.

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If Krazy Ivan was still alive he would have said that was money well spent

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Lots of Carmelo hate on B&B today. Sorry Jason.

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So, I guess the excuses for Carmelo not having anyone around him can end, since he seems to have chosen New York a second time!

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shocking...

The Bulls need to make offers to Stephenson and Parsons immediately...

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He will be choosing the money over winning he can make about sixty million more with the Knicks anyone would take deal. As far as supporting cast goes the point has been validated by Lebron James he wins when he has a top five player playing with him and leaves when he doesn't. That was always my essential point. Winning is often a product of who you play with.

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You're taking your cues from B&B but I'm Jason Goff. Paxson blew this one. You have to come up with a better offer if that's the player you want. The immortal Gorda Hayward is about to sign for about the same money as the Bulls were offering Anthony. We couldn't come up with the money because we don't want to give up Taj Gibson. Real franchises don't sweat backups like Taj Gibson. The Bulls management lacks creativity and Boers and Bernstein shill for them continuously

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