Ahh..I see.

FWIW, I don't think he's a special back. Just really good for most of his time here.

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what?? holy shit.

it's not that crazy of an opinion. He's a decent RB.

Forte's strength isn't breaking tackles, but like Nas said he makes guys miss more often than most RBs. And his vision on the field is unreal. He's a very good RB. Worth every penny.

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I agree he's lost something but he's still very good. I like him very much and think he is under appreciated.

He is in comparison to Forte. Forte is a workhorse and Thomas is a situational RB. Forte is in the top 5 of the league every year in total yards. I believe he is #3 in the NFL since he has been in the league. That was accomplished in some HORRIBLE offenses. Pierre Thomas has never been a featured back. Forte had damn near more touches in his first 2 seasons than Thomas has had his entire career. Forte may have 10000 career yards before the end of the season. There is no comparison.

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Forte would be Marshall Faulk if he had a second gear.

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He's 6'2". He has decent speed but it doesn't look like it until he breaks a long run and you see the CB's and S's trying to catch him. Clearly not Faulk though.

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And actually quick feet. But that's asking a lot.

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He's looks slower than he is. He makes a lot of people miss for a reason even though he is 6'2". He has the same amount of 20+ yard runs as Adrian Peterson.

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To address your first assertion. The Saints haven't needed a workhorse back since the days of Deuce McAllister. But Thomas could fit the bill imo. But it's still theoretical apples and oranges.

And wth do Forte's career numbers have to do with him being average/above average & wildly overrated this year.

He's slow footed, has poor vision and instincts behind the line of scrimage and hasn't had the greatest record of success of breaking tackles or avoiding contact THIS year.

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Forte is 3rd in the league in all purpose yards for running backs behind McCoy and Charles. He is only 140 yard out of the top spot. How is he getting this done? Sure that Lions game was AWFUL but they haven't all looked like that.

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like RR said, thomas isn't used in the same way forte is because of the way payton runs the offense. but pierre thomas has literally carried guys on his back while making TD runs or getting a first down. On the flip side, you could say easily that mark ingram is pedestrian. and apparently so surprised when he actually makes a big run he has to make a big stink about it.

thomas is part of a run-by-committee. that's not his fault. he could be a featured back anywhere and be a really good asset.

Maybe he could be but he hasn't been. When you take that beating that a workhorse takes it is hard to be consistently healthy and productive. Thomas has an easier job.

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Let's be clear, RR's dislike of Forte is soley because of the uniform he wears.

In no universe are Forte and Thomas in the same category.

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again, it's not the same argument. you can't compare a running back who's asked to carry the ball 20+ times a game and catch 6 or 7 balls and a guy who's gonna rush maybe 12 times and push his legs to get 60 yards.

if you wanna call a guy like trent richardson pedestrian compared to forte...you'd probably have an argument to make, i think.

All purpose yards may be the most contrived statistic in football. He's a 4 yd per carry back and check down receiver, especially when the Bears go 3 & out.

And he's been closer to the Lions Forte than what you perceive him to be this year.

And I don't necessarily dislike Forte, I just think the useful end is near for him.

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To be clear. I don't dislike Forte, but if I did it wouldn't be because of his uniform.

Besides, I didn't put Forte & Thomas in the same category, I said that as a Saints fan I'd prefer the RB by committee that the Saints employ over the 2013 version of Matt Forte.

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Really? Why are you underrating Forte. He's been about as consistent as can be. He was even in the top 10 last season and he missed 6 games. Production wise this is his 2nd best season. He's averaging 115 yards a game.

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In years past he would have been your guy?

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i'm not underrating forte. i'm saying if you're going to call a running back pedestrian compared to forte, you have to use an example of a guy who's used as a feature back.

Gotcha

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For the life of me I cannot fathom why you are defending a rb who has gone for 1200+ yds in exactly one season and one that no one would reasonably pay to see?!?

He's a poor man's Curtis Martin. That's not a knock btw.

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Because he has gotten it done in some terrible offenses. I've always wondered what he would look like in an above average or elite offense. His best season was clearly 2011. He had 1000 rushing yards in 12 games and 1500 yards from scrimmage. You know you can't look at Forte like you would an Adrian Peterson because he is an all around back. The guy is durable and if he can stay healthy he should have over 15k yards from scrimmage. That's an impressive career.

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nas you seem to ignore the one stat that tells all. breaking tackles. i have never seen forte break a tackle unless someone fucks up and lets him go.

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It must be a miracle that he is consistently at the top of the league in total yards since he can't break a tackle. Especially considering how bad the Bears offense and offensive line has been his entire time here.

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The most impressive part of his career was his getting his current contract. For that (& his one great 12 game season) I will always be a fan of his.

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Yes, but going by that theory, it's rather inexplicable why they've repeatedly gone to him in crucial 4th down situations.

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