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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

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hey, if the bulls can fire/force-him-to-resign, i'd definitely go out and sign pop to coach the bulls =D

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dude, isn't there a FA list you can look up? who's this star free agent that they're gonna get? melo? maybe make a run at an old/75%-past-it wade if he decides to leave miami when lebron does? i'm not worried about them going out and getting relatively/good free agents, but like.... i think the bulls have consistently proven that you can never expect them to go out and get a star free agent because to the best of my recollection they've never ever done that.

or wait, actually, my bad. i'm totally wrong on this one. i'm forgetting about ben wallace =)

of course, we've now got another shit situation with derrick in between the minor ~1-2 week situation and the blown out ACL: the meniscus! hopefully their MRIs and whatnot can tell them if derrick's knee is taking the kind of abuse that would lead to another ACL blowout (cuz you gotta figure they just don't randomly snap without some sort of hyperextension. there has to be a level of wear and tear that causes them to snap in the normal range of motion, right?) and then MAYBE DERRICK CAN CHANGE HIS GAME UP.

cuz as i've been saying ad nauseum/infinitum for years, the bulls need to somehow go and get a guy who can be a #1 scoring option on the team. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN JACK SQUAT DIDDLY SHIT WITH DERRICK ROSE BEING A ~18+ SHOTS-PER-GAME #1 SCORING OPTION. management needs to realize that thibs can take lesser defenders and coach/system them up into competence that will complement a more robust scoring attack. if you try to play a game that preaches defense above all else and you get him the personnel to maximize that, you're going to end up with situations (in the playoffs) where you've gotta score a damn basket, and if your team's offense is basically derrick-rose-or-pray-that-deng-gets-fouled-flailing-at-the-basket well then SURPRISE! you're going to get shut down in the playoffs when a team says "ok, you'll hold us to 85pts.... but who's gonna score for you?"

that's the problem with the bulls whether rose is out with an ACL or if he didn't even get hurt last night. if you take out derrick rose they don't have anyone on there who can score enough points to beat the other team. that and LOL DENG needs to go because you can give me all of this crap about blah blah blah 16/8 blah blah blah defense/glue-guy... and i'll grant you that he can indeed play defense and yeah you can do worse than deng, but he's the epitome of this bulls team. miami has lebron at the 3, which gives you the defense plus the scoring options... and the game is evolving to kind of faze out the traditional 2 guard into a more hybrid role with the 2/3, cuz look at where wiggins and jabari are gonna end up (tho more likely 2/3 respectively)... that's where it's at.

you need somebody else to be the focal point of the scoring/defensive-attention to allow derrick to play more of a traditional point guard role. his current 33-34% shooting for the season should clue you into the fact that he's sure as hell trying out there (and nobody can ever take away the fact that derrick has heart) and he'll go down fighting, but seriously, i have faith in thibs to take primarily-offensive-players and mould them into good-enough defenders, if not implement a system that utilizes the presences of noah/taj/deng/whoever to help make up for whatever defense you'd lose going out and getting a bigtime scorer at the 2/3 position.

and honestly i dont think this team's gonna start doing that til they look in the mirror and recite step 1: that they're powerless over their addiction to LOL DENG. cuz if you had, say, two guys ahead of deng on the offensive pecking order to go along with derrick, then hell yeah having deng as some sort of a glue guy works... but having him in a position/salary-bracket where he's basically supposed to be the #2 scoring option on your team? the results over the last 10 years speak for themselves. it's just not gonna work with him unless he's a proper role player. maybe he'll be willing to take a paycut to stay here, or maybe he'll get out there and see that the market will offer him the most cash to go to a bum squad... or watch him end up a spur. see if deng was on the spurs with duncan/parker/ginobli/3pt-specialists/etc then he'd be perfect. but if the spurs basically had only tony parker and then got deng, well, they'd be in the same damn position the bulls are in now.

my bad on the verbosity here, but what can i say? i've got the fire and da pashin. and i've also got the steadfast belief/knowledge that the bulls aren't gonna win shit with this team they've got now and the longer they wait to do something about that = the longer we're going to wait to have a legit contender here in chicago.

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What do you want them to do now?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents

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No answer Nas?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

There is one main reason the Bulls should not break up a decent team right now.

What happens if LeBron cracks an ankle? All bets are off then. It certainly not impossible.
We all saw what it looked like after Krause tried to blow it up...no thanks!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

That plays a role too but the primary reason is it isn't realistic because of the reasons I listed. This isn't a video game.

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Nas' analysis is spot on here.

"Blowing up" this team will set the organization back 2-3 seasons rather than just having this year be a loss. Trading away guys now will just get you bad contracts in return. All of that money is coming off the books after this year, and there will be moves to be made. If Mirotic comes over next summer, and they let Deng walk away (which they should), and they amnesty Boozer, good things can happen.

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why would they need to amnesty boozer now?

next year is his last year, might be able to move the expiring deal for a nice piece if someone is having a fire sale

I don't think they would get anything of value in return.

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They have to amnesty Boozer next summer so they can use that money to sign free agents or even make a trade.

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But they also need bodies .... what's Thibs down to, a 6-man rotation? 7 if he's been drinking a little bit? All that means is more Thibs hard minutes on top of whatever silly amount he would've played them, which is about the last thing someone like, for example, Noah needs, because the (albeit more temporary) injury clock is running on him at all times.

With Rose definitively out, one must at least make a concession or two, though clearly not an entire team explosion as has been established.

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i guess it really doesn't matter either way, i guess you're right you lose that summer if you don't

You can get roster fillers out of the NBADL or off the streets. The Bulls roster is fairly balanced at every position except C and you won't find good ones on the street. Taking back bad contracts in order to trade Deng now or to dump a guy like Taj just isn't a smart decision.

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I have a feeling they will make some sort of move at the PG position this season. Teague is just not an option, and Hinrich will undoubtedly break down with a usual injury sometime this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bobcats buy out Ben Gordon's deal, and the Bulls make a run at him. He's just languishing on the bench in Charlotte.

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I think Thibs would rather play 4 on 5 than start a rookie in a game.

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I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Ben Gordon. He'll probably be motivated to play again. Sometimes chasing money over happiness is a bad idea.

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Good God No

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Lets bring back John Salmons,Brad Miller, Thabo & Chandler and pretend it's 2008 again. Let's move forward.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

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I have no personal interest in seeing Taj moved.

I agree they can get bodies, but will Thibs actually play them or have them sit and look pretty while he ramrods Noah, et al, into the ground chasing after wins to keep his career looking good?

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I see the benefit in trading guys now to set yourself up for the future - whether that includes Rose or not. Even if we suppose Rose is back next year, as we've seen this year, it will take awhile from him to get back up to speed, assuming he's even capable of reaching his 2011 level. By that time, let's say late in the 2014-15 season, or early in the 2015-16 season, guys like Noah and Gibson are already around 29-30 years old, and Deng is presumably gone. Why not just move a guy like Noah, while he's healthy and in his prime, to set yourself up for a new "core" down the road? I don't see the benefit in holding on to assets if you're not going to win this year or the next.

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The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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Why don't you believe the Bulls would be in position to win next season? Other than a late first round pick from a playoff team and some expiring contracts, what do you expect to get for Noah? Why would that be worth it?

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I assume Rose will never be the same, so that's why I'm inclined to say they won't contend next year. As for a guy like Noah, I'd at least explore seeing what's out there. I still think his value is quite high after making the All D team last year, and since he's relatively healthy and young at the moment, why not? After this year and possibly the next, his only value to teams other than the Bulls will be as an expiring contract. Right now he's got value as a difference-maker, but he's on a team that has no chance of making a difference anytime soon.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I wasn't including Rose as a primary figure in my analysis for next season. Without Rose the Bulls aren't far from a title. I expect them to be able to fill their holes with the $25M in cap space they'll have next season as well as the fact that Mirotic will be here. IF Rose is healthy then that's just the cherry.

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Won't the Mirotic savior eat up a lot of the new cap room?

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Some of it. They will structure his contract in a way where it has the least impact. I'm sure they can find a way to get Teague or Nazi off their books to get another $4M in cap space too.

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The "I" would probably give him more value.

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Actually Nazr isn't under contract. I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem shedding Dunleavy's contract if needed or even Snell's. They are in great position next summer to really improve this team.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

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so my guy Erik Murphy has a grand total of 13 minutes played this year. Snell with 43 minutes.

random observations.

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