Rick, you are using the wrong reasons to push your anti-Cutler agenda today. The QB is not the problem with this team right now. If the Bears want to compete next year, the defense needs to be completely overhauled. McCown, Cutler, a rookie, a veteran, doesn't matter who is under cetner.

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Agreed

Bbbbbbbbbut Jay has a really strong arm.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I said it weeks ago, you spend all available funds on the defense. Emery has hitched his wagon to Trestman, not Cutler. You keep McCown and let Trestman pick his QB project.

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I'm still "Jay at the right price" but McCown's play is starting to convince me Trestman can make anyone good. You have to draft a QB in the first 2 rounds though.

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Trestman and the system is part of it, but its nice to have guys like Jeffrey, Marshall, and Bennett to throw to as well.

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Which one of his 8 picks this year targeting those 3 guys was your favorite?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Which is why you don't need Cutker taking 15+mill. I would like an upgrade over McCown but he's a pretty good stopgap while developing a project. None of this matters as long as this defense is as historically bad as it is.

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Agreed, Reason

I was saying yesterday, there is no way this offense is 20 million dollars better with Cutler

I believe the cold weather will show us why having a guy with a stronger arm than McCown is better but I don't believe that should be the reason why you pay Cutler $15M+. Just find a guy with a stronger arm and let Trestman whisper in his ear.

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No!!!!! Not the Bear Weather considerations!!!! Stop yourself! Don't even mention that!

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A stronger arm won't help when the other team is running the ball down your throat to the tune of 10 yds/carry.

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Everybody gets strong armed in Chicago.

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Drew Brees would struggle in Bear weather. The great Rex Grossman owned him.

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They did pretty good when the Rams were taking a knee.

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Clearly, Tucker out schemed them on those.

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Arm strength is over-rated. Having a strong arm means nothing without accuracy & smarts. Jay has proved to be an average QB. He's just a guy. Let him go, draft a QB (Aaron Murray) & use the money they would have paid Jay on the Defense.

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It does help. It always helps.

I know this is not popular in Chicago right now, but, McCown did NOT have a good game. He did NOT! How could anyone say he did? I don't care about the stats. He had a lot of yards, but also set the Bears record for attempts in getting those yards.

I'm just so tired of the dink-and-dunk QB's being hailed for their terrific passer efficiency. You can't win in the NFL doing that, and you sure can't win a game like yesterday's where you need to score a lot of points. Bad defense or not, that happens quite often in the modern NFL. You have Marshall, you have Jeffrey, you have Bennett. Use them, and stop dumping off to Forte for 3 yards all day long to pump up your QB rating and protect your perfect no-interceptions record. Stupid.

That's the biggest canard in the dink-and-dunk argument. McNowen/Ortman/Walsh/etc "takes what the defense gives him!" Well that's the problem. There's a REASON the defense is giving you certain passes. Because those passes won't hurt them.

Do you really think the Rams, after the game, felt relieved to win because McCown was so efficient? Do you think they feel like they couldn't solve him? That they dodged a bullet? They owned that Bears offense. I bet they don't give two craps about McCown's stats. Neither should we.

You know what it tells me when an NFL QB can go the equivalent of 4 games without an interception? It tells me he's not making NFL throws. Sure makes you look good though. "I don't turn it over!" Yeah and you don't win either.

McCown was not the problem yesterday. Not even on the top 10 list if you ask me. It's silly to blame him. He played better than pretty much everybody.
They don't win with Cutler yesterday either. That fumble, and the block in the back on the return, and the failed 4th down conversion, and the absolute loss of ability to even slow down a running game defensively, and the horrible penalties especially the 3 penalty shitfest on the incomplete pass was the problem. It was a meltdown of epic proportions. Everyone really except at QB.

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They might have won with Cutler. We don't know. If he gets you back in the game in the first half, the game plays differently. Maybe STL can't run every down.

Sure, if Cutler threw some picks or got sacked a lot waiting to throw deep, then STL would have reached 42 by the 3rd qtr instead of the 4th qtr. But who cares, a loss is a loss. But if Cutler did happen to hit some vertical passes, they could have got back in it. Instead, we took what STL gave us, and predictably, we got the result STL wanted, too.

I'm with Darkside on this one. You want a strong arm at QB, but every QB is going to have an issue when the other team is scoring at will on your defense. The TOs didn't help either. If you erase the late TD on the fumble, and the short-field TD that resulted from Forte's fumble, you're looking at a 28-21 game, and things would be different.

And anyway, I don't think most people are saying McCown is fine as the long-term starter. He's the perfect backup, and the fact that a backup QB has had some success in this offense raises questions on the Bears' perceived need to commit to Cutler, which is something I believed in strongly prior to this season.

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The Bears offense didn't have a problem moving the ball. They left some points on the field but they also ate up a lot of clock. That should have been a good thing because it kept the defense off the field. I prefer 10+ play drives to what we've seen with Cutler over the years. The Rams would have had 60 points in McCown didn't keep them off the field.

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Thought I heard Doug say the Bears ran like 21 more offensive plays than the Rams.

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But I question that success. The true level of the success was exposed yesterday. There was no effort to get back into the game, despite the offensive weapons. This should have been a shoot-out, but in fact they never had a chance.

The Baltimore game the week before might have gone the same way, if not for the Bass pick-6 to get them back into it.

There are reasons to not sign Cutler, but, to say we can settle for a cheap ball-control McCown-type of QB is wrong-headed. If you part with Cutler, you better find a replacement that can sling it just as well or better. Or else we're just going to go through the whole Orton thing again. Hell, maybe they'll actually get Orton.

We all love to see the high powered offenses but efficiency is good too. This offense has been great with McCown. It's the best I've seen since Grossman started the 2006 season like an MVP candidate.

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I just don't agree with the philosophy. You need to maximize the number of possessions in a game like this when you are down early. Long drives kill you, not them, by shortening the game. The defense couldn't possibly be worse than they were, just by virtue of playing more snaps. The only thing that might have helped them is a closer game or having a lead.

I think the stat the tells the whole picture is the Rams' unbelievable 10 YPC rate, when you remove the kneel downs at the end of the game.

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What are you talking about? They were down 7 in the 4th quarter until the very end. After giving up a quick 14 they were matching the production of the Rams. How can you possibly complain about this offense compared to what we've seen from Cutler. It doesn't matter if it takes 15 plays or 5 as long as they score.

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Efficiency is only great when you can pair it with the ability to punch someone in the mouth going vertical. That's why Brees, Brady, Rodgers, are so good. They do both. Grossman isn't a good comparison, because he did throw vertical.