I think some of you should look a little closer at Big Ben before you lump him in with managers. He can allude sacks as well as run and will hang 400 yards on your ass in a minute with guys all over him.

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No, I actually think McCown is barely an NFL quarterback. He is a poor man's Matt Moore.

I wouldn't really want Roethlisberger or Flacco for the money they make either.

That's the #1 reason I want a first round rookie QB. He may be the next Rodgers or Brees. McCown isn't. Cutler isn't.

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Yes.

I like the phrase "he takes what the defense gives him" as a way to define a game manager/ball-control QB. Ben doesn't do that. Well, he does it at the times it is called for, which is maybe what Cutler needs to learn.

Hey, how come you're allowed to say that? The lightning rod is yours, now. 8 more pages!




I know that's the model you like, and it could very well be the correct path. I'm just not totally all-in on it like you are.

I can't even begin to express how disappointed I would be if the Bears let Cutler go, drafted a QB to lead the team, and he was a bust. I don't know how more Bears fans aren't concerned about that. It's like everyone is forgetting the last... every single year of the Bears existence.


No one will argue the defense needs help. But you'll be able to get help at reasonable prices that will upgrade the defense. It's as bad as it is because guys off the street are starting due to injuries. By just getting replacement players in free agency in the off-season, the defense will be significantly upgraded. And not to mention how many big contracts are coming off the books. Even more, if they can do something with Peppers. There will be plenty of money to spend on the defense, and you literally only need to look at money on the o-line when it comes to the offense. Even then, if it had to stay as is, you could survive.

Point being, the money should be there.

Yes, I think we'll all be sad if the Bears draft a bust at quarterback. I'll also be very happy if they draft a quarterback and he is elite or near elite.

I'd be even more disappointed if our GM is so unsure of himself that he thinks that the rookie QB he will pick in the first round has a good chance of being a bust. In fact, he should just quit if he thinks that.

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I don't think Cutler's the answer, and I think giving him long money would be a huge mistake. But he's a known quantity--namely, a starting-caliber NFL quarterback--and a starting-caliber NFL quarterback is the most precious commodity in professional sports. I'm sure the Bears' draft board will be loaded with QBs, but I strongly doubt Emery will have the sack to let Cutler walk.

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I just heard Laurence Holmes on the radio talking about how there were throws yesterday that McCown couldn't make and that is why Jay Cutler needs to play as soon as he is ready.

At what point do we stop comparing Josh McCown to "Hypothetically Great Jay Cutler" and instead compare him to "Actual Jay Cutler".

I'm sure that Jay Cutler would have thrown for 550 yards and 4 touchdowns yesterday but I have a feeling that "Actual Jay Cutler" won't do that against Dallas.

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Not that I disagree entirely, but there are some throws that McCown cannot make that even Actual Jay Cutler can, and those throws are missed from time to time.

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Obviously, there are a lot of throws that Actual Jay Cutler doesn't make that Actual Josh McCown does make.

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Yes and those throws are generally called dumb, untimely interceptions.

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Some people were citing how Jay Cutler was the third rated quarterback in terms of qbr early in the season as a reason why he is so important.

Josh McCown is now second in qbr.

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Actual Tim Tebow leads the Bears to an actual victory yesterday. #Truth #TWTW

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He's toned that down in recent years. Something like 14th last year and not many this year except for the 3 INT game against Detroit.

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And the 4 ints against Minnesota



That he would have had yesterday

And that 3 INT game against Detroit is one of the reasons that this season is over.

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The more I see McCown's weak-ass arm, the less I like him. If you're going to win a SB with him, it's going to have to be Alex Smith style.

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Id have gone with someone who actually won a Super Bowl, but ok


McCown is not winning a superbowl, but the level of drop off from Cutler to McCown is shockingly low

I disagree with that. I think the overriding reason the season is over is because the Bears have no defense. The defense is a much greater factor in the Bears' performance than Cutler's eight INTs.

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Vegan I covered this a couple of weeks ago. Cutler has been his usual turnover prone self this season too. Nothing has changed except his weapons.

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I don't think either of these guys are going to take you to the promised land, but at least it's theoretically possible with Cutler. I'd look for a third option.

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Tom Brady couldn't take a team with defense this bad to the promised land.

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Absolutely no doubt in my mind that Brady or Peyton would have wrapped up the division by now with the weapons the Bears have on offense. Even with a defense as bad as we have they would be in the SB conversation. There aren't many teams in the NFL (if any) that has the offensive weapons the Bears have.

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I agree with this. Brady would have this team spinning like a top and winning shootouts week after week.

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I said promised land, I didn't say anything about making the playoffs. Brady, Manning, Cutler, Rodgers, BRees, McCown, McNown, wouldn't matter. This defense would be lucky to win 1 playoff game.

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I think Rodgers or Brady could win a SB with this team. Manning is a pud.

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I don't know if we need 9 more pages or not, but, if you still think after yesterday that McCown moves this team down the field just fine, I don't know what more to say.

You don't like Cutler's picks? How about McCown's two horrible, horrible picks early on that were luckily called back due to penalties? How about the shovel pass lying on his belly? How anyone can blissfully overlook all that with McCown, and then use similar evidence as an indictment against Cutler, defies all logic.

The Bears haven't converted 3rd in long since forever, as was pointed out statistically in the broadcast yesterday. They've gone from one of the top teams at converting TDs in the red zone to one of the worst. They were losing 7-6 at halftime against one of the worst three pass defenses in the league.

But sure, McCown moves the ball great. If QBR says he's the second best QB in the league, then great, get an NFL team and sign him. Have fun.

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So is your argument that Jay would be shredding these bad defenses with lazer like precision ? I believe there's enough evidence out there to show that's not the case when he's had the chance to light it up. Like you said though if you believe he would then theres not much to talk about.

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