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It was a horrible decision. 47 yarder? Try to get more yards, you dumb ass. If it's a 30 yarder I would accept kicking it on 2nd down.


Agreed. Forte had gained over 20 yards on the last 3 plays called. Give it to him at least one more time.


I would take my chances throwing. You risk a sack,but you also play to win. Conservative coaching cost the Bears that game. That 4th and 11 killed them,too. Blitz a couple of LB's,they really don't do much in coverage except tackling guys AFTER they catch it.

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He threw his offense under the bus saying he didn't want to risk a penalty or loss of yards on the next play. I'd be very surprised if the percentages supported his move.

Well, it looks like the NFC North is the dumpster of head coaches.

That's a pretty good point. Jim Schwartz is arguably the best coach in the division, and he's a fucking terrible coach.

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He threw his offense under the bus saying he didn't want to risk a penalty or loss of yards on the next play. I'd be very surprised if the percentages supported his move.

Well, it looks like the NFC North is the dumpster of head coaches.

That's a pretty good point. Jim Schwartz is arguably the best coach in the division, and he's a fucking terrible coach.


You guys have turned pretty quickly on your guy in GB. Wasn't just a couple years ago you all were saying what an underrated coach he was....

As far as Trestman goes, this was clearly not a good day for him. But I am willing to give him some slack. I have liked a lot of what he has done on the offense. The defense clearly needs a ton of work, but let's not forget that this is what so many wanted. They wanted a good offense and would settle for the defense not being so good.

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No slack should be given. I will see if B&B break on him finally.

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Devil's advocate here, but, let's say Forte coughs it up, or yet another penalty is committed, or our backup-cum-HOF QB decides to do another ill-fated shovel pass while flat on the ground. Then we're wondering why the near-most accurate kicker in history wasn't given a chance.

But still, my choice would be to run another play.


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As people have said, that makes sense if it's maybe less than 40. 47? No way.


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Beardown wrote:
It was a horrible decision. 47 yarder? Try to get more yards, you dumb ass. If it's a 30 yarder I would accept kicking it on 2nd down.


Exactly. I said the same thing to my Son during the game when Tresty sent the FG team on to the field for the 47 yarder. It was 2nd down & Forte was shredding the Vikings D the few plays before. 47 yards isn't a gimme for any Kicker.

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It was a horrible decision. 47 yarder? Try to get more yards, you dumb ass. If it's a 30 yarder I would accept kicking it on 2nd down.


Agreed. Forte had gained over 20 yards on the last 3 plays called. Give it to him at least one more time.


I would take my chances throwing. You risk a sack,but you also play to win. Conservative coaching cost the Bears that game. That 4th and 11 killed them,too. Blitz a couple of LB's,they really don't do much in coverage except tackling guys AFTER they catch it.

I'd've been willing to bet a pump and go to Jeffrey would've been a touchdown in that situation. It would've been ballsy and even if you get sacked you still have another play to get back some yards. I just feel Minnesota would've been totally looking for a run or short pass and that play would've worked. Easy to Monday morning qb it I know .

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I agree with you.


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I just think it's myopic to blame a kid DC who's hands were hog tied before play one. The lack of a timely call was bad, but it seems almost routine (again) on the opposite (beloved) side of the ball.


Tucker was a DC for four years and even got to be the HC for 5 games. He's no kid. His defenses were in the bottom 25% of the NFL. Part of that could be blamed on a poor offense (which keeps the defense on the field), but the lack of run defense was evident. He ran a 4-3 defense, which is what is run now.

My problem with Tucker is that he has the linebackers too close to the line so they end up with poor angles and getting blocked too early. The cut-back run has become what gashes this defense on a weekly basis.

My other problem is because they don't play Cover-2, the single high safety is playing too far back to be effective to stop the run. He has to run from too far back and thus he doesn't have a good tackling angle.

Finally, tackling the ball (a hallmark of Smith's defense) should not be prioritized over making a tackle. Smith's defenses were gang tackling, sacrificing a yard to get to the ball. Tucker's defense doesn't gang tackle, the linebackers show poor gap discipline, and because of the poor tackling angles they should stop trying to tackle the ball and make surer tackles of the ball carrier.

This is what your DC is there for, to make sure his defenders are at the best positions, the philosophy is applied, and discipline is maintained.

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I dont think you kick on non fourth downs unless it's inside 35 yards


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This nit doesn't mean much as the chances of successs were low. But, being Mr. Percentages that Trestman is why did he attempt a 66-yarder instead of a hailmary when you have three tall receivers? The chance of a success are low but the 66-yarder had a 0% chance.


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This nit doesn't mean much as the chances of successs were low. But, being Mr. Percentages that Trestman is why did he attempt a 66-yarder instead of a hailmary when you have three tall receivers? The chance of a success are low but the 66-yarder had a 0% chance.

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This was Trestman's worst game of the year no doubt.

That said, I still point the finger at the defense for yesterday. Yes there were issues on offense and with playcalling, but the bottom line is that when you are on the road in the division and have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter, the defense has to come thru and get the W. Instead they made Cassel look like a world beater, and allowed the Vikings to convert a 4th & 11 from the shadow of their own goalposts.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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You all are funny in the rush to scapegoat Mel Tucker. Especially this week. The defensive coaching staff didn't lose this game, hell the defense didn't lose this game (as pointed out by many).

The defense has lost three Pro Bowlers, one at each level this year. Right now they have 1 DB worth a damn, no linebackers, no defensive tackles, and a DE that plays sometimey. This young coach was foolishly brought in expressly to run Lovie's defense, and basically to replace not only Lovie (a 9-10 yr Bear coach) but also Marinelli with the level of experience he had. Hell, most of you all now complaining hated Lovie's D for the last 4-5 years anyway, or have you forgotten?

His hands are then tied with only three consistent players all year, two of which have been out for a month+. You have nothing in the pipeline that vaguely approximates young defensive talent, and a new coaching staff (plus the GM) that apparently does not understand the skill set required to run the cover-2. But it's Tucker's fault. Laughable.

I don't know who's worse the idiot coach in Detroit, or the idiot GM & lacking perspective head coach here. I think the only coach that really realizes the near absolute lack of talent on that side of the ball is Tucker. But it's easy to bash him, not the OC (former) genius whose line hasn't done dick in a month. The same line that got all of last season's largesse.

Highest $ for an OL signing, two draft picks (one a 1st rounder who hasn't done shit in awhile), another FA lineman, a TE that the OC doesn't seem to know how (or remember) to use for oddly long stretches. All last offseason. The glory of the team after the first quarter of the season. Spare me.


I guess my title should have been more precise by saying "really smart head coach'

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This was Trestman's worst game of the year no doubt.

That said, I still point the finger at the defense for yesterday. Yes there were issues on offense and with playcalling, but the bottom line is that when you are on the road in the division and have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter, the defense has to come thru and get the W. Instead they made Cassel look like a world beater, and allowed the Vikings to convert a 4th & 11 from the shadow of their own goalposts.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.


I know you were in a poontang induced haze but Detroit was worse for him

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I should have clarified, yesterday was the worst I have seen him. I didn't see any of the second Detroit game, and only a few plays of the Baltimore game.

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