I'm on board.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ro01.shtml

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Anyone who isn't is retarded.

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- Henry George

Is this a debate?

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Team Cutler.

200 wins is the new HOF benchmark?

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It's turning into the Hall of Very Good anyway so why not.

In an era when someone wins more than 16 games in a season makes them Olympian, yes ... yes it is.

Quite a few complete games, so/bb terrific, Cy Young Strezo candidate 6 years in a row, plus those numbers are during the waning days of steroids and in the AL and for a generally shitty string of Jays teams ... he was a one-man band until he got to Philly.

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- Henry George

Pussification of America....

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Did you even look at his PPFp or his WAAadj?

He pitched exclusively when the five-man rotation was standard. No one's getting to 300 again. Also, I bet some of those awful Blue Jays teams he was on blew quite a few wins for him.

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You want to look at this knuckle sandwich?

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I don't think that's true. It won't happen very often but a guy could have a 20-year career averaging 15 wins/year. It will happen again.

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Lot of pitchers can say that about being on bad teams blowing leads though. I always thought of Halladay as very good but not dominant . Doesnt cut it for me. Pedro gets in though and they're probably pretty similar stays wise without looking it up.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Halladay was absolutely a dominant pitcher for years, but he spent many of those years on a Canadian team in the shadow of the New York-Boston arms race. He wasn't the same pitcher as Pedro Martinez, though. Halladay was great, don't get me wrong, but Pedro at his zenith was pitching some of the best baseball ever pitched.

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So did Greg Maddux.

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I think probably but not near the slam dunk everyone says


Kevin Brown won 211 games. Dwight Goiden won 194

Still going to be very very tough. We may be lucky enough to see ONE 300game winner again. Maybe. Starters go 6 innings now and bullpens blow games way more often than the late 80s/early 90s when Maddux, Glavine, etc got to the big leauges.

Mark Buehrle has averaged 14 wins a season for 14 years (13 as full time starter) and has 186 career W's.

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HOF'er

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CC Biggins will have a shot at 300. He's 33 years old and has 205 career wins. He has to average 13.5 wins for the next 7 years to get there. I think he can do that and playing on the Yankees for at least the next 3-4 years won't hurt either.

Mark Buehrle is a good pitcher but I'm talking about a guy like Maddux. There will be dominant pitchers that come along at age 20 and just have great 20-year careers. It will happen again. I don't think I see that guy right now so it will be quite sometime before we see it.

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I didn't say or insinuate that. I was just pointing out how hard its going to be to get to 300 wins when you average 14-16 wins a season.

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But Buehrle is doing it by actually getting 15 wins through his prime years. The guy to do it will have runs of 18-20 win seasons for at least 5 years and then settling in at around 15 for a long time.

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Mussina has 270 wins.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

No disrespect to Roy Halladay, but Andy Pettitte definitely should be in the Hall of Fame before Roy Halladay would get in.

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Roids. Next.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yep, you let one in, they all have to go. I am ok with that, but it is going to be interesting how some of these guys situations are handled.

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10 More Wins

Sorry, not a HOF'er.

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Yup!

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Let's do it for Johnny!

He had help...

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Maybe it's Maybelline..

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