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I never thought I would see the day the Bears would perform like this! UNREAL.

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I never thought I would see the day the Bears would perform like this! UNREAL.


Beating the NFL's worst offense like a drum is still a relatively low bar, no?

(Edit: Wait, don't YOU remember '85? 44-0 or 38-0 the next week mean anything to you???)

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man i'm proud of this team.... even tho the mcclown* vs cutthead debate is going to wear my ass out this week....dudes, you obviously get cutler out there if he's 100% cuz the best chance this team has in the playoffs against better defenses is jay cutler.

fuck the callers calling in all WTF DOES MCCOWN HAVE TO DO?!?!!? i have news for you, the players around mccown are doing the heavy lifting.... i mean there's so many passes he makes where he's 1-2 steps away from oblivion you know against seattle or san fran or carolina you're going to need jay's physical tools out there at their peak performance to have a chance to overcome the defense and win the superb owl. hoot hoot.

seriously, mccown is a primo bumslayer.... you put him out there with this pass-blocking line and give him marshall/alshon/unicorn/earl and he can go 280/4/rushing-TD sure..... but man i'm telling you a top level DEF can and will fuck his world up.... you need cutler.

these chicago fans calling up saying WTF DOES MCCLOWN (yeah * = i heard joniak call him mcclown tonight) HAVE TO DO YOU NEED MCCLOWN OUT THERE.... i swear to god they deserve another 50 years of shitty QBs.... cuz holy fucking shit IF MARC TRESTMAN IN THIS OFFENSE CAN TURN JOSH MCCOWN INTO THIS... JUST THINK OF WHAT THEY COULD DO IF THEY MAXIMIZE CUTLER.

so yeah come back 100% ASAP cutler and help get this offense maxed out cuz all you gotta do is get in the tournament and if you're a 30+ppg offense who knows.... this defense is capable of giving up only ~24-30 if you win the time of possession battle, so make it so and get it going because YOU WILL NOT WIN A SUPERB OWL WITH JOSH MCCOWN. get a real passrush and dude cant escape it and with actual coverage on receivers JAY CUTLER IS BETTER AT THROWING FOOTBALLS THAN JOSH MCCOWN. thank you next caller

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romo- $119 million
mcown- relatively free.

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dude i fucking HATE when regular everyday peasants whine about how much athletes make, especially in uncapped sports. so yeah NFL and moreso NBA have arguments.... but who cares if a baseball team wants to pay, say, edwin jackson 4/52 to be mediocre-at-best? the cubs aint in business to lose money and if they get away with a 60mil payroll they're gonna profit buckets (like KC and the pirates do, altho they cook the books for formal reports to try and hide that revenue sharing = it's more profitable for them to spend 50mil on a shit team then to spend 120mil on a team that might fight for a playoff spot but end up .500)

but MLB can't let you know that... and the NFL and NBA have caps so instead the peasantry rails about MCCOWN DOES IT FOR CHEAP AND U CAN SPEND THAT $$$ elsewhere... hogwash. fuck that.

right now trestman is in a FUCKING GROOVE calling the offense.... yeah he fucked up horrorshow bad last week, but you learn from that and move on. mccown is looking brilliant cuz he's got a bunch of time to throw to wide open receivers. how many of these throws does he make that you're like OMFG YES MCCOWN!!!! i'll give you last week where he had those bombs to alshon that were right on the $$$.... but tonight he was making easy throws to wide open receivers with 3-5yd buffer zones... and hell mccown should have been picked off in the endzone when it was 14-14 or 17-14, so who knows if dallas holds on to the ball maybe they march down the field and score and its a different ballgame.

so yeah the DEF gave up 198 rushing yards for 7.1ypc.... it's gonna happen, tho i'm sure demarco had ~3-4 runs of 20+ so his average on non-big-plays was ~5ypc....so work on bottling up those homerun carries (in the first quarter demarco murray ran a sweep left and it was on pep to contain and holy shit pep got BURNED as demarco turned the corner and then ran vertically for ~25yds right to the 1yd line.... if pep does his job and contains demarco is hauled down for a loss on the sweep.... but pep has lost ~2 steps this season so that's a glaring weakness.

and yeah.... if you say "ok you guys are gonna run for 150+ yards and we'll let you average 5-7 yards per carries, but in the end we'll stop you enough to let out offense win the game" that'll work i nthe playoffs IF AND ONLY IF you get cutler back in there and up to speed cuz right now you've maxed out josh mccown and b asically shown jey that you can provide him with the time and the open targets to put up 280/4TD/1rushTD so basically jay can do everything mccown does plus he can escape for those ~2-3 10+yd runs he's good for every game on broken plays.... and jay can make better throws into tighter coverage, aka the kind of coverage you're gonna have in the playoffs.

so yeah mccown is great for the regular season, but when you're in the playoffs and everyone's going HAM and you dont have your receivers run curl routes that result in them having a 3-5yd buffer zone between them and the defenders, dammit dudes, you're gonna need cutler. the only chance this team will have to win is basically having an offense that can outscore anyone.... and as this offense improves week in week out, seriously, there will come a point where mccown will be under siege witho0ut the time to throw and then you're gonna be fucked cuz if mccown doesn't have 5-10 seconds to throw the ball in a 75%+ clean pocket to wide open receivers, yeah, he's gonna be "exposed" as josh mccown aka THE BUMSLAYER.

that's what mccown is..... arguably the best backup QB in football and a top-class bumslayer.... but are you gonna tell me if we were playing seattle you'd rather have mccown in there than seattle? cuz i got news for you, if the bears win teh division and get a middling seed they're gonna have to prolly play seattle in the 2nd round, and that's when mccown would be exposed as being what he is: a serviceable quarterback in a dream system with an offensive coach calling great plays, a great pass protecting line giving him ample time to find receivers who are getting so wide open it'd damn near take chad hutchinson or better yet 2005 kyle orton to fuck up and throw the ball 5ft over their heads.

so forgive the length of my rants here gents.... but isn't it obvious that right now trestman has unlocked the potential in josh mccown and uhhhh, especially this year with this horrible defense that had its best game of the last ~10 weeks today and still gave up 28pts for good measure? romo went 11/20 with 104yds but 3TD.... demarco rushed for 140, randle for 50... i mean, you're gonna need the best offense possible to have a chance to roll with seattle, new orleans, or san fran.... let alone denver/new england/KC or whoever comes out of the west.

you're gonna need jay cutler. and yes i know that mccown is playing the best football of his life right now and he's likely gonna get some solid scratch next year to be a luxury backup or a low-end starting QB for your london jaguars.... and i know mccown is this mccown is that.... but simply put, look at their W/L records and remember that mccown lost to the vikings last week. MCCOWN LOST TO THE VIKINGS LAST WEEK. overtime schmovertime you have no business losing to the fucking vikings in the dome last week. didn't mccown also lose to the rams in a dome? yeah. if mccown's able to lose those games, you have to balance that out with a game like this and say COME BACK ASAP JAY CUTLER.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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i dont know what you do. you really should play the hot hand but at the same time you have ALL your money in the other guy, and theres a bigger upside to him.

what if tressman ends up turing mcown into the next gannon and cutler never matures fully?

I was a Cutler all the way guy, but at this point, I don't know. You definitely want to get another look at Cutler before you make your decision, but my god. McCown has been inexplicably great. How do you sit him? I mean, even if you grant that Cutler is definitely better, and even if you need another look at him, you're almost obligated to ride the hot hand. This offense is clicking like never before in my life.

Glad I'm not making the decisions.

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man i'm proud of this team.... even tho the mcclown* vs cutthead debate is going to wear my ass out this week....dudes, you obviously get cutler out there if he's 100% cuz the best chance this team has in the playoffs against better defenses is jay cutler.

fuck the callers calling in all WTF DOES MCCOWN HAVE TO DO?!?!!? i have news for you, the players around mccown are doing the heavy lifting.... i mean there's so many passes he makes where he's 1-2 steps away from oblivion you know against seattle or san fran or carolina you're going to need jay's physical tools out there at their peak performance to have a chance to overcome the defense and win the superb owl. hoot hoot.

seriously, mccown is a primo bumslayer.... you put him out there with this pass-blocking line and give him marshall/alshon/unicorn/earl and he can go 280/4/rushing-TD sure..... but man i'm telling you a top level DEF can and will fuck his world up.... you need cutler.

these chicago fans calling up saying WTF DOES MCCLOWN (yeah * = i heard joniak call him mcclown tonight) HAVE TO DO YOU NEED MCCLOWN OUT THERE.... i swear to god they deserve another 50 years of shitty QBs.... cuz holy fucking shit IF MARC TRESTMAN IN THIS OFFENSE CAN TURN JOSH MCCOWN INTO THIS... JUST THINK OF WHAT THEY COULD DO IF THEY MAXIMIZE CUTLER.

so yeah come back 100% ASAP cutler and help get this offense maxed out cuz all you gotta do is get in the tournament and if you're a 30+ppg offense who knows.... this defense is capable of giving up only ~24-30 if you win the time of possession battle, so make it so and get it going because YOU WILL NOT WIN A SUPERB OWL WITH JOSH MCCOWN. get a real passrush and dude cant escape it and with actual coverage on receivers JAY CUTLER IS BETTER AT THROWING FOOTBALLS THAN JOSH MCCOWN. thank you next caller

Well, as I previously alluded, I was of this mind. But look at tonight's game: he made some genuinely great plays. That touchdown to Jeffery was indeed a great play by Jeffery; but it was nearly as good a play by McCown. McCown stepped up, off balance, on the run, and put that ball perfectly in the corner of the endzone. He also had a great rushing TD. You say we should look at what he did vs better defenses, but his numbers have been at worst solid in all the games he's started.

And here's the thing: Cutler hasn't played in a long time now. There's no margin for error, so how do you take the ball from a hot hand and place it in the hands of a guy who hasn't taken a snap in over a month? I was sort of hoping we'd tank and get a pick, but that's out now, and you might as well try to make a run. How clear is it that Cutler is our best chance at a run? Not very clear, at this point.

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IkeSouth wrote:
i dont know what you do. you really should play the hot hand but at the same time you have ALL your money in the other guy, and theres a bigger upside to him.

what if tressman ends up turing mcown into the next gannon and cutler never matures fully?

I was a Cutler all the way guy, but at this point, I don't know. You definitely want to get another look at Cutler before you make your decision, but my god. McCown has been inexplicably great. How do you sit him? I mean, even if you grant that Cutler is definitely better, and even if you need another look at him, you're almost obligated to ride the hot hand. This offense is clicking like never before in my life.

Glad I'm not making the decisions.


Jeff George may have been the most naturally talented QB of my lifetime.

But the(his once) Indianapolis Colts almost went to the Super Bowl, not with George under center, but with the great Jim Harbaugh.

Meaning that there may be no right(winning) answer with those two.

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BTW. McCown lead the league this week with a 141.9 QB rating. I'm unclear what his rating is for the season now. Stats pages show 103.6, but I don't know if that includes tonight.

At any rate, this is an amazing story. This is a way better story than Tebow ever was. This guy busted out of the league, and was coaching HS football. Bears pick him up a couple of years back, and he plays surprisingly decent. He comes in this year and performs as a top QB. Has anything like this ever happened before? I have to doubt that it has. He's been very good in almost every game, and never bad in any games; as a 34 year old NFL bustout. How in the living fuck?

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There is no way the Bears are going to give Jay a huge contract. Not after what they have seen from Tresty, Jay & Josh this year. There is no way that anyone can make a logical case for signing him to a deal that pays him $20+ million per year. I'm guessing that the Bears are hoping & praying that the Titans want Jay. I know that I am. He's just a guy with a big arm.

As far as the rest of this year goes, its very simple. You play Josh until he falters.

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And here's the thing: Cutler hasn't played in a long time now. There's no margin for error, so how do you take the ball from a hot hand and place it in the hands of a guy who hasn't taken a snap in over a month? I was sort of hoping we'd tank and get a pick, but that's out now, and you might as well try to make a run. How clear is it that Cutler is our best chance at a run? Not very clear, at this point.


A HOT HAND?!?! ok let's leave tonight out of it and check these standard scoring fantasy football point totals for 5 games.

1. 15.46, 20.88, 12.54, 19.48, 22.20 = 18.11avg
2. 18.28, 20.58, 11.46, 20.58, 23.02 = 18.78avg

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QB #1 = mccown and QB #2 = cutler, who also has a 20.48 point game in there. so yeah mccown went HAM and got 39.58 points on 27/46 for 348yds 4TD and 1 rushing TD (keep in mind that rushing TDs = 6pts to a throwing TD = 4 so that added to the 39.58) so yeah.... i hear you matt.... yes mccown made some nice throws tonight that you singled out, but quite honestly i found his deep throws to alshon last week more impressive.... and remember that alshon had 200+yds with 2TDs against the vikings.... AND MCCOWN LOST.

you can't take away the fact that mccown wasn't enough to will the bears past the just-under-.500ish rams and the then 2-8 vikings.... mccown lost two horrible games against tomato can teams.... when the shit hits the fan and doesn't go perfectly like it did tonight (in that the offense didn't have to punt, it was therefore "perfect" in some capacity) you're going to have a choice of mccown vs cutler.... and like, dude, matt.... i love ya bro but have you noticed that, example, mccown can't throw on the run? mccown can't escape a collapsing pocket to save his life?

are you gonna tell me that if jay cutler was out there tonight he couldn't/wouldn't have made those throws and the bears don't win by 2+ possessions tonight? jay can do everything that mccown has done over the last few weeks, but he can do more.... and most importantly, his physical attributes and skills are more condusive to saving your ass in a game where everything isn't going according to plan and it's a fucking game of smear the queer out there and surprise cutler's got a man-bag and a kid named camden OH NO SMEAR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so yeah dude, i lvoe what josh mccown has done for the bears. he's stepped in and steadied the ship and literally provided THE EXACT SAME OUTPUT AS JAY CUTLER.... yes his TD/INT ratio is superior to jay's, however.... pro-football-ref counts the washington game as a loss for jay, but that was mccown's game IMO (he was quarterbacking with the lead in the 2nd half, the bears DEF blew it but mccown was the quarterback of consequence) so jay's 4-3....and you know what, that detroit loss was weird in that he was rushed out there and clearly not 100% and even tho he takes the loss, man, he had them within one possession/2pt of tying it, which mccown came and got, albeit without the 2pt... so in games where jay is healthy and starting normally he's 4-2 this season....but we'll say 4-3.

which means that mccown just improved from 2-3 to 3-3 tonight. the bears are a 7-6 team. cutler lost a 40-32 game to detroit (24/47 for 317 with 2TD/3INT) and he lost to new orleans (24/33 for 358yds 2TD/0INT) and then gimpy cutler lost to detroit (21/40 250 1TD/1INT) --- mccown's losses? washington (14/20 201yds 1TD) the fucking rams (36/47 for 351 2TD/1INT) and..... the vikings (23/36 355 2TD... and of course like ~220/2TD were to alshon) and i'm pointing out these rams and vikings losses because not only did they lose, but they lost 42-21 to the rams, and they only put up 20pts against the vikings... in jay's losses yeah, 18 against the saints (but remember they were playing a time of possession game so they only scored 26, within one possession) 32 against the lions (again, a 1poss/2pt game) and then against the lions the second time they were again within a TD/2PT of tying it....

so basically, mccown is the only QB on the bears who got blown the fuck out this year.... and i mean, yeah, he lost to the fucking vikings..... i honestly believe if mccown's out there against DET or if cutler is at full strength they win that 2nd lions game.... and i don't have any excuses for the vikings game.... so what i'm getting at is that jay has a better resume at 4-2.5 (i'm absolving him 1/2 of a loss because of injury in the 2nd DET game... he played like a fucking warrior out there, hearkening back to that one lions game ~3 years ago where it was a smear the queer game and he gutted out a 27-20 type win @ ford field... and just... man, seriously, i'm filling up paragraph after paragraph of blabber but am i the only person here who watches the games and sees mccown as a great system QB however he's got physical limitations that could seriously fuck the bears over in teh playoffs?

cuz yeah, man, if everything goes right and the offense is rolling like it doesnt have to punt all game long, then yeah mccown can be front-running out there and get you 300+yds adn whatnot... look at how wide open marshall and alshon are getting.... if you throw joe haden at one the other one can go off.... that and the trestman factor are why the bears offense is beasting... i'm telling you man mccown only has tonight's game throwing off the scale and that's because he just happened to have 5TD (4 passing) with #s that fit in with all of the other games he's had, which the fantasy point breakdown up there shows you is the same exact output as jay cutler.

so seriously, if both of these quarterbacks are playing at the same level out there.... i'm gonna roll with the quarterback who has upside to turn it up another notch or two and most importantly against better defenses. jay has a better arm, he can throw on the run, and oh yeah he can run and turn broken plays into 10+ yard scampers, which he does 1-2 times a game without fail. the mccown story is great and i hope to god the bears can retain him as a backup but i can't fault the guy if someone offers him a 2yr/10mil deal to go start in jacksonville or houston or something.... but seriously man, i think this is more of a testament to the trestman offense that two guys have put up virtually identical #s in the same # of games (they've each had 6 full games, basically) with the exception of tonight's touchdown orgy.

it's not like you're pulling mccown to put in RG3 or something.... you're bringing in a guy who by all accounts was having a "meh" year and still had the exact same raw statistical production as mccown.... so really, who has the upside to step up and lead this team through the playoffs and into a super bowl? honestly can you see josh mccown picking apart seattle? just wait til those LARGE. ANGRY. BLACK. STUDS. GET. TO. WANGWHIPPING. YOU. and then you've got richard sherman and pals out there applying tight coverage to marshall/alshon/unicorn and you're gonna need the QB to deliver tight accruate spirals thrown while he's running from a pass rush..... josh mccown can't throw on the run, and he can't escape any pressure in the pocket.... and jay cutler can do all of that stuff,

and that's why you need him to get to 100% and come out here and risk not being the "hot hand" cuz you gotta heat this motherfucker up cuz i guarantee you that YOU MAKE A RUN TO/THROUGH THE SUPER BOWL WITH JOSH MCCOWN AS YOUR QUARTERBACK. i'm sorry, this team has no defense and therefore you have to maximize your offense and even tho this offense is as good as any offense we've seen in chicago since the long lost mythical year of 1995, aka the offensive standard in modern bears football......and thus, man, if trestman/marshall/alshon/o-line are good enough to where you can insert mccown and get the same production as cutler, man, just imagine if cutler could get some rhythm established and if he gets a hot hand..... seriously dude, with no defense you can win the super bowl. remember the colts had the 32nd ranked rush defense when they beat the bears in the super bowl in the 2006 season?

they did it because they had peyton manning. and well because the bears couldn't stop the rush and rex threw a horrible pick late... but still in the end that team had no run defense and were up against a team that could run the ball and rah rah rah, but when it came down to a scrum and it was a 1-2 possession game late, the team with the better quarterback won.

i'm not saying that jay cutler is an elite quarterback right now, but he's definitely a franchise QB right now..... and with trestman here I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON CUTLER BECAUSE GODDAMMIT I WANNA SEE CUTLER PLAYING AT THE LEVEL MCCOWN IS PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW cuz i think this offensive success is largely a byproduct of trestman constantly improving his craft and getting better @ calling plays, combine that with the o-line jelling and keeping the QB upright and allowing some solid running..... yeah man. fuck. cutler's supposed to be out there lighting it up right now, and just imagine man if you could FINALLY unlock the full skillset of jay cutler and get it at optimum efficency.... dude that's the only way you can win the super bowl this year. and don't you listen to dan bernstein? WINNING. CHAMPIONSHIPS. IS. ALL. THAT. MATTERS. HOW. DOES. BENCHING. CUTLER. GET. YOU. CLOSER. TO. A. CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!!?

fuck it man, i'm on fire tonight. imma pour another nog and call up les tonight. this has to be said!

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And here's the thing: Cutler hasn't played in a long time now. There's no margin for error, so how do you take the ball from a hot hand and place it in the hands of a guy who hasn't taken a snap in over a month? I was sort of hoping we'd tank and get a pick, but that's out now, and you might as well try to make a run. How clear is it that Cutler is our best chance at a run? Not very clear, at this point.


A HOT HAND?!?! ok let's leave tonight out of it and check these standard scoring fantasy football point totals for 5 games.

1. 15.46, 20.88, 12.54, 19.48, 22.20 = 18.11avg
2. 18.28, 20.58, 11.46, 20.58, 23.02 = 18.78avg

who is QB #1 and who is QB #2?











QB #1 = mccown and QB #2 = cutler, who also has a 20.48 point game in there. so yeah mccown went HAM and got 39.58 points on 27/46 for 348yds 4TD and 1 rushing TD (keep in mind that rushing TDs = 6pts to a throwing TD = 4 so that added to the 39.58) so yeah.... i hear you matt.... yes mccown made some nice throws tonight that you singled out, but quite honestly i found his deep throws to alshon last week more impressive.... and remember that alshon had 200+yds with 2TDs against the vikings.... AND MCCOWN LOST.

you can't take away the fact that mccown wasn't enough to will the bears past the just-under-.500ish rams and the then 2-8 vikings.... mccown lost two horrible games against tomato can teams.... when the shit hits the fan and doesn't go perfectly like it did tonight (in that the offense didn't have to punt, it was therefore "perfect" in some capacity) you're going to have a choice of mccown vs cutler.... and like, dude, matt.... i love ya bro but have you noticed that, example, mccown can't throw on the run? mccown can't escape a collapsing pocket to save his life?

are you gonna tell me that if jay cutler was out there tonight he couldn't/wouldn't have made those throws and the bears don't win by 2+ possessions tonight? jay can do everything that mccown has done over the last few weeks, but he can do more.... and most importantly, his physical attributes and skills are more condusive to saving your ass in a game where everything isn't going according to plan and it's a fucking game of smear the queer out there and surprise cutler's got a man-bag and a kid named camden OH NO SMEAR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so yeah dude, i lvoe what josh mccown has done for the bears. he's stepped in and steadied the ship and literally provided THE EXACT SAME OUTPUT AS JAY CUTLER.... yes his TD/INT ratio is superior to jay's, however.... pro-football-ref counts the washington game as a loss for jay, but that was mccown's game IMO (he was quarterbacking with the lead in the 2nd half, the bears DEF blew it but mccown was the quarterback of consequence) so jay's 4-3....and you know what, that detroit loss was weird in that he was rushed out there and clearly not 100% and even tho he takes the loss, man, he had them within one possession/2pt of tying it, which mccown came and got, albeit without the 2pt... so in games where jay is healthy and starting normally he's 4-2 this season....but we'll say 4-3.

which means that mccown just improved from 2-3 to 3-3 tonight. the bears are a 7-6 team. cutler lost a 40-32 game to detroit (24/47 for 317 with 2TD/3INT) and he lost to new orleans (24/33 for 358yds 2TD/0INT) and then gimpy cutler lost to detroit (21/40 250 1TD/1INT) --- mccown's losses? washington (14/20 201yds 1TD) the fucking rams (36/47 for 351 2TD/1INT) and..... the vikings (23/36 355 2TD... and of course like ~220/2TD were to alshon) and i'm pointing out these rams and vikings losses because not only did they lose, but they lost 42-21 to the rams, and they only put up 20pts against the vikings... in jay's losses yeah, 18 against the saints (but remember they were playing a time of possession game so they only scored 26, within one possession) 32 against the lions (again, a 1poss/2pt game) and then against the lions the second time they were again within a TD/2PT of tying it....

so basically, mccown is the only QB on the bears who got blown the fuck out this year.... and i mean, yeah, he lost to the fucking vikings..... i honestly believe if mccown's out there against DET or if cutler is at full strength they win that 2nd lions game.... and i don't have any excuses for the vikings game.... so what i'm getting at is that jay has a better resume at 4-2.5 (i'm absolving him 1/2 of a loss because of injury in the 2nd DET game... he played like a fucking warrior out there, hearkening back to that one lions game ~3 years ago where it was a smear the queer game and he gutted out a 27-20 type win @ ford field... and just... man, seriously, i'm filling up paragraph after paragraph of blabber but am i the only person here who watches the games and sees mccown as a great system QB however he's got physical limitations that could seriously fuck the bears over in teh playoffs?

cuz yeah, man, if everything goes right and the offense is rolling like it doesnt have to punt all game long, then yeah mccown can be front-running out there and get you 300+yds adn whatnot... look at how wide open marshall and alshon are getting.... if you throw joe haden at one the other one can go off.... that and the trestman factor are why the bears offense is beasting... i'm telling you man mccown only has tonight's game throwing off the scale and that's because he just happened to have 5TD (4 passing) with #s that fit in with all of the other games he's had, which the fantasy point breakdown up there shows you is the same exact output as jay cutler.

so seriously, if both of these quarterbacks are playing at the same level out there.... i'm gonna roll with the quarterback who has upside to turn it up another notch or two and most importantly against better defenses. jay has a better arm, he can throw on the run, and oh yeah he can run and turn broken plays into 10+ yard scampers, which he does 1-2 times a game without fail. the mccown story is great and i hope to god the bears can retain him as a backup but i can't fault the guy if someone offers him a 2yr/10mil deal to go start in jacksonville or houston or something.... but seriously man, i think this is more of a testament to the trestman offense that two guys have put up virtually identical #s in the same # of games (they've each had 6 full games, basically) with the exception of tonight's touchdown orgy.

it's not like you're pulling mccown to put in RG3 or something.... you're bringing in a guy who by all accounts was having a "meh" year and still had the exact same raw statistical production as mccown.... so really, who has the upside to step up and lead this team through the playoffs and into a super bowl? honestly can you see josh mccown picking apart seattle? just wait til those LARGE. ANGRY. BLACK. STUDS. GET. TO. WANGWHIPPING. YOU. and then you've got richard sherman and pals out there applying tight coverage to marshall/alshon/unicorn and you're gonna need the QB to deliver tight accruate spirals thrown while he's running from a pass rush..... josh mccown can't throw on the run, and he can't escape any pressure in the pocket.... and jay cutler can do all of that stuff,

and that's why you need him to get to 100% and come out here and risk not being the "hot hand" cuz you gotta heat this motherfucker up cuz i guarantee you that YOU MAKE A RUN TO/THROUGH THE SUPER BOWL WITH JOSH MCCOWN AS YOUR QUARTERBACK. i'm sorry, this team has no defense and therefore you have to maximize your offense and even tho this offense is as good as any offense we've seen in chicago since the long lost mythical year of 1995, aka the offensive standard in modern bears football......and thus, man, if trestman/marshall/alshon/o-line are good enough to where you can insert mccown and get the same production as cutler, man, just imagine if cutler could get some rhythm established and if he gets a hot hand..... seriously dude, with no defense you can win the super bowl. remember the colts had the 32nd ranked rush defense when they beat the bears in the super bowl in the 2006 season?

they did it because they had peyton manning. and well because the bears couldn't stop the rush and rex threw a horrible pick late... but still in the end that team had no run defense and were up against a team that could run the ball and rah rah rah, but when it came down to a scrum and it was a 1-2 possession game late, the team with the better quarterback won.

i'm not saying that jay cutler is an elite quarterback right now, but he's definitely a franchise QB right now..... and with trestman here I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON CUTLER BECAUSE GODDAMMIT I WANNA SEE CUTLER PLAYING AT THE LEVEL MCCOWN IS PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW cuz i think this offensive success is largely a byproduct of trestman constantly improving his craft and getting better @ calling plays, combine that with the o-line jelling and keeping the QB upright and allowing some solid running..... yeah man. fuck. cutler's supposed to be out there lighting it up right now, and just imagine man if you could FINALLY unlock the full skillset of jay cutler and get it at optimum efficency.... dude that's the only way you can win the super bowl this year. and don't you listen to dan bernstein? WINNING. CHAMPIONSHIPS. IS. ALL. THAT. MATTERS. HOW. DOES. BENCHING. CUTLER. GET. YOU. CLOSER. TO. A. CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!!?

fuck it man, i'm on fire tonight. imma pour another nog and call up les tonight. this has to be said!

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then you know what dude? i mean this in the nicest way possible but go fuck yourself you sanctimonious prick. yeah i know that i talk too much and i've been shamed by plenty of low flying aircraft like yourself over the years for having this curse where i have all this information pouring out of me and i have the boundless audacity to like, you know, write actual messages (and not 140 character tweets) on a message-board..... but still, agian, fuck you.

fantasy points are determined like this for quarterbacks.... 25yds = 1pt, rushing yards = 10yds/point, passing TDs = 4pts, rushing TDs = 6pts, INT/fumbles = -2 points.... so basically that nice round # is a way to take the tangible stats and put them in one easy # to compare to other quarterbacks.... you know, the same thing the NFL does with QB rating and what espn does with their QBR or total QB or whatever the fuck their 1-100 scale is. so those point totals i put out weren't the be-all/end-all, but an overall easy-to-compare guideline that added up all of the tangible stats into a simple number.

but no.... see matt in the crown is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us fantasy sports losers because his radio pappy dan bernstein has trained him well, he hears fantasy football and he uses it as an excuse to not read the complete and utter evisceration of his pro-mccown bullshit cuz see.... you don't want none of this shit man. we both know i'm right.... but you cling to this romantic ideal that because josh mccown has the most invaluable trait known to bears QBs, the he's-not-jay-cutler factor, you have to romanticize him as this great amazing quarterback..... who btw LOST TO THE MINNESOTA FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK.

so there you have it matt.... wanna say no fantasy football and therefore you dont wanna read my FIRE AND PASHIN going on adn on and on slagging you off like the 2-bit Caller Bob you are? fine. but if you're gonna eschew fantasy stats as a total waste and then grandstand to show off to all of your normie buddies here ("heh guys, sini's one of those fantasy losers.... we sure aren't right, *high 5*) then just remember this

YOUR HERO JOSH MCCOWN LOST TO THE FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK. IN A GAME WHERE ALSHON JEFFERY PUT UP 220YDS/2TDS YOU ONLY MANAGED 20 POINTS TO A FUCKING 2-WIN-TEAM

so yeah fuck off fuck you fuck all and go to bed dude, you have to get up and go to work tomorrow while i gotta get up and rub one out to buffy take a nice resin hit and work on a parody rap song about liverpool FC cuz while i'm indeed a fucking loser in most people's eyes (and deservedly so) at least i'm a loser with style and soul you fucking halfwit.

again, nothing personal here just DA FIRE AND DA PASHIN rearing its ugly head in a wholly inconvenient 5+ paragraph-per-message format. and i know a lot of you roll your eyes and think my posts to be far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman but hey i'll rest easy that the best posters on the board occasionally waste a few mins reading 75% of my posts (cuz yeah i do get redundant sometimes when i'm pissed and driving home a point i shouldn't have to make in the first place if you troglodytes had a proper fucking clue) cuz like, seriously FTFY i'm right you're wrong and i pray to god trestman knows it.

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Honestly, you're a crazy person. As a crazy person, I can legitimately say that. I actually don't disagree with the portions I can be troubled to wade through of your rants, but I don't see that it's clear who the Bears should go with. Based on Marshall's comments, they will go with Cutler. I hope it works.

Edit: and I honestly hope all fantasy players die of VD to bolster the gene pool.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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BTW. McCown lead the league this week with a 141.9 QB rating. I'm unclear what his rating is for the season now. Stats pages show 103.6, but I don't know if that includes tonight.

At any rate, this is an amazing story. This is a way better story than Tebow ever was. This guy busted out of the league, and was coaching HS football. Bears pick him up a couple of years back, and he plays surprisingly decent. He comes in this year and performs as a top QB. Has anything like this ever happened before? I have to doubt that it has. He's been very good in almost every game, and never bad in any games; as a 34 year old NFL bustout. How in the living fuck?


HAHAHAHHAHAHA in all of my posting/typing hubris i jsut went back and noticed this.

so let me get this right.... a guy who refused to read my post purportedly because of a mention of fantasy sports clings to the stat to end all stats, the quarterback rating, as a means of expressing just how awesome josh mccown is?

again, cuz i really want this to sink in for anyone dumb enough to not have me on their foe list: you literally made a public display of laughing off my entire well-versed argument because i mentioned fantasy stats.... yet in your next post you literally drop mccown's QB rating, which btw is calculated using THE SAME EXACT FUCKING STATS USED TO ACCRUE FANTASY POINTS, as an undisputed means of showing what a wonderful story he is?

wow dude.... talk about bias... you're a #McClown and i'm a #TeamCutler (i'll think up a more "viral" name for it later) and basically cuz you love his wonderful "story" you're rooting for him cuz nobody likes jay cutler cuz he;s a douchebag with punch-me face and he married that annoying bitch from the OC/hills/MTV and he's annoying on the league... i get it, you thought J.C. stood for Jesus Christ and not Jay Cutler and he was truly the kid from santa claus (, IN) and that he was going to walk in and be peyton brady out there for you.... and he wasn't. seaons of 7-9, 11-5, 8-8 (7-3 w/cutler), 10-6, and now the team's 7-6..... and you want that wonderful story to uplift you and get that douche out of town cuz now we have a genius offensive guru in town which means that they could plug in juice williams and he'd have a 90 QB rating.... so you want cutler out, preach about spending his $$$ on defensive players and then wonder why your team hangs out in NFL hell where they're right around that 6-10 to 10-6 bubble every year with the occasional down year and the occasional up year, but when you get into the playoffs and those good defenses start fucking your whole world up and you have no way to score points..... i bet you'll wish you had a better QB who at least gives you a fucking chance because he's the superior football player.

but what do i know..... who needs a QB with a better arm, better legs, better mobility, and the ability to throw on the run.... not the bears! duh. all they need to do is give mccown 10 seconds to survey the field and throw to one of those WRs that doesn't have a guy within 3 yards of him.... and that will obviously be there for you all season.... that is, unless the minnesota vikings come a-callin..... but hey you throw the record books out the window when the vikings are in town. and the rams? man they would have beat seattle on that day, let alone the bears.

whatever man. agian nothing personal but seriously go fuck yourself up the ass with a rusty screwdriver until you love it so much you get a tattoo saying "rusty" on your left bicep to commemerate your eternal love with the only lover who always treated you right.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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And here's the thing: Cutler hasn't played in a long time now. There's no margin for error, so how do you take the ball from a hot hand and place it in the hands of a guy who hasn't taken a snap in over a month? I was sort of hoping we'd tank and get a pick, but that's out now, and you might as well try to make a run. How clear is it that Cutler is our best chance at a run? Not very clear, at this point.


A HOT HAND?!?! ok let's leave tonight out of it and check these standard scoring fantasy football point totals for 5 games.

1. 15.46, 20.88, 12.54, 19.48, 22.20 = 18.11avg
2. 18.28, 20.58, 11.46, 20.58, 23.02 = 18.78avg

who is QB #1 and who is QB #2?











QB #1 = mccown and QB #2 = cutler, who also has a 20.48 point game in there. so yeah mccown went HAM and got 39.58 points on 27/46 for 348yds 4TD and 1 rushing TD (keep in mind that rushing TDs = 6pts to a throwing TD = 4 so that added to the 39.58) so yeah.... i hear you matt.... yes mccown made some nice throws tonight that you singled out, but quite honestly i found his deep throws to alshon last week more impressive.... and remember that alshon had 200+yds with 2TDs against the vikings.... AND MCCOWN LOST.

you can't take away the fact that mccown wasn't enough to will the bears past the just-under-.500ish rams and the then 2-8 vikings.... mccown lost two horrible games against tomato can teams.... when the shit hits the fan and doesn't go perfectly like it did tonight (in that the offense didn't have to punt, it was therefore "perfect" in some capacity) you're going to have a choice of mccown vs cutler.... and like, dude, matt.... i love ya bro but have you noticed that, example, mccown can't throw on the run? mccown can't escape a collapsing pocket to save his life?

are you gonna tell me that if jay cutler was out there tonight he couldn't/wouldn't have made those throws and the bears don't win by 2+ possessions tonight? jay can do everything that mccown has done over the last few weeks, but he can do more.... and most importantly, his physical attributes and skills are more condusive to saving your ass in a game where everything isn't going according to plan and it's a fucking game of smear the queer out there and surprise cutler's got a man-bag and a kid named camden OH NO SMEAR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so yeah dude, i lvoe what josh mccown has done for the bears. he's stepped in and steadied the ship and literally provided THE EXACT SAME OUTPUT AS JAY CUTLER.... yes his TD/INT ratio is superior to jay's, however.... pro-football-ref counts the washington game as a loss for jay, but that was mccown's game IMO (he was quarterbacking with the lead in the 2nd half, the bears DEF blew it but mccown was the quarterback of consequence) so jay's 4-3....and you know what, that detroit loss was weird in that he was rushed out there and clearly not 100% and even tho he takes the loss, man, he had them within one possession/2pt of tying it, which mccown came and got, albeit without the 2pt... so in games where jay is healthy and starting normally he's 4-2 this season....but we'll say 4-3.

which means that mccown just improved from 2-3 to 3-3 tonight. the bears are a 7-6 team. cutler lost a 40-32 game to detroit (24/47 for 317 with 2TD/3INT) and he lost to new orleans (24/33 for 358yds 2TD/0INT) and then gimpy cutler lost to detroit (21/40 250 1TD/1INT) --- mccown's losses? washington (14/20 201yds 1TD) the fucking rams (36/47 for 351 2TD/1INT) and..... the vikings (23/36 355 2TD... and of course like ~220/2TD were to alshon) and i'm pointing out these rams and vikings losses because not only did they lose, but they lost 42-21 to the rams, and they only put up 20pts against the vikings... in jay's losses yeah, 18 against the saints (but remember they were playing a time of possession game so they only scored 26, within one possession) 32 against the lions (again, a 1poss/2pt game) and then against the lions the second time they were again within a TD/2PT of tying it....

so basically, mccown is the only QB on the bears who got blown the fuck out this year.... and i mean, yeah, he lost to the fucking vikings..... i honestly believe if mccown's out there against DET or if cutler is at full strength they win that 2nd lions game.... and i don't have any excuses for the vikings game.... so what i'm getting at is that jay has a better resume at 4-2.5 (i'm absolving him 1/2 of a loss because of injury in the 2nd DET game... he played like a fucking warrior out there, hearkening back to that one lions game ~3 years ago where it was a smear the queer game and he gutted out a 27-20 type win @ ford field... and just... man, seriously, i'm filling up paragraph after paragraph of blabber but am i the only person here who watches the games and sees mccown as a great system QB however he's got physical limitations that could seriously fuck the bears over in teh playoffs?

cuz yeah, man, if everything goes right and the offense is rolling like it doesnt have to punt all game long, then yeah mccown can be front-running out there and get you 300+yds adn whatnot... look at how wide open marshall and alshon are getting.... if you throw joe haden at one the other one can go off.... that and the trestman factor are why the bears offense is beasting... i'm telling you man mccown only has tonight's game throwing off the scale and that's because he just happened to have 5TD (4 passing) with #s that fit in with all of the other games he's had, which the fantasy point breakdown up there shows you is the same exact output as jay cutler.

so seriously, if both of these quarterbacks are playing at the same level out there.... i'm gonna roll with the quarterback who has upside to turn it up another notch or two and most importantly against better defenses. jay has a better arm, he can throw on the run, and oh yeah he can run and turn broken plays into 10+ yard scampers, which he does 1-2 times a game without fail. the mccown story is great and i hope to god the bears can retain him as a backup but i can't fault the guy if someone offers him a 2yr/10mil deal to go start in jacksonville or houston or something.... but seriously man, i think this is more of a testament to the trestman offense that two guys have put up virtually identical #s in the same # of games (they've each had 6 full games, basically) with the exception of tonight's touchdown orgy.

it's not like you're pulling mccown to put in RG3 or something.... you're bringing in a guy who by all accounts was having a "meh" year and still had the exact same raw statistical production as mccown.... so really, who has the upside to step up and lead this team through the playoffs and into a super bowl? honestly can you see josh mccown picking apart seattle? just wait til those LARGE. ANGRY. BLACK. STUDS. GET. TO. WANGWHIPPING. YOU. and then you've got richard sherman and pals out there applying tight coverage to marshall/alshon/unicorn and you're gonna need the QB to deliver tight accruate spirals thrown while he's running from a pass rush..... josh mccown can't throw on the run, and he can't escape any pressure in the pocket.... and jay cutler can do all of that stuff,

and that's why you need him to get to 100% and come out here and risk not being the "hot hand" cuz you gotta heat this motherfucker up cuz i guarantee you that YOU MAKE A RUN TO/THROUGH THE SUPER BOWL WITH JOSH MCCOWN AS YOUR QUARTERBACK. i'm sorry, this team has no defense and therefore you have to maximize your offense and even tho this offense is as good as any offense we've seen in chicago since the long lost mythical year of 1995, aka the offensive standard in modern bears football......and thus, man, if trestman/marshall/alshon/o-line are good enough to where you can insert mccown and get the same production as cutler, man, just imagine if cutler could get some rhythm established and if he gets a hot hand..... seriously dude, with no defense you can win the super bowl. remember the colts had the 32nd ranked rush defense when they beat the bears in the super bowl in the 2006 season?

they did it because they had peyton manning. and well because the bears couldn't stop the rush and rex threw a horrible pick late... but still in the end that team had no run defense and were up against a team that could run the ball and rah rah rah, but when it came down to a scrum and it was a 1-2 possession game late, the team with the better quarterback won.

i'm not saying that jay cutler is an elite quarterback right now, but he's definitely a franchise QB right now..... and with trestman here I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE UP ON CUTLER BECAUSE GODDAMMIT I WANNA SEE CUTLER PLAYING AT THE LEVEL MCCOWN IS PLAYING AT RIGHT NOW cuz i think this offensive success is largely a byproduct of trestman constantly improving his craft and getting better @ calling plays, combine that with the o-line jelling and keeping the QB upright and allowing some solid running..... yeah man. fuck. cutler's supposed to be out there lighting it up right now, and just imagine man if you could FINALLY unlock the full skillset of jay cutler and get it at optimum efficency.... dude that's the only way you can win the super bowl this year. and don't you listen to dan bernstein? WINNING. CHAMPIONSHIPS. IS. ALL. THAT. MATTERS. HOW. DOES. BENCHING. CUTLER. GET. YOU. CLOSER. TO. A. CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!!?

fuck it man, i'm on fire tonight. imma pour another nog and call up les tonight. this has to be said!

I stopped at fantasty football points.


I stopped after, "lets leave tonight out of it." He's only played in a hand full of games. You can't just not include one of his best to bend the numbers in your favor. Cutler should not be signed to a huge contract. You need to spend that money on the defense and then draft a QB.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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then you know what dude? i mean this in the nicest way possible but go fuck yourself you sanctimonious prick. yeah i know that i talk too much and i've been shamed by plenty of low flying aircraft like yourself over the years for having this curse where i have all this information pouring out of me and i have the boundless audacity to like, you know, write actual messages (and not 140 character tweets) on a message-board..... but still, agian, fuck you.

fantasy points are determined like this for quarterbacks.... 25yds = 1pt, rushing yards = 10yds/point, passing TDs = 4pts, rushing TDs = 6pts, INT/fumbles = -2 points.... so basically that nice round # is a way to take the tangible stats and put them in one easy # to compare to other quarterbacks.... you know, the same thing the NFL does with QB rating and what espn does with their QBR or total QB or whatever the fuck their 1-100 scale is. so those point totals i put out weren't the be-all/end-all, but an overall easy-to-compare guideline that added up all of the tangible stats into a simple number.

but no.... see matt in the crown is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us fantasy sports losers because his radio pappy dan bernstein has trained him well, he hears fantasy football and he uses it as an excuse to not read the complete and utter evisceration of his pro-mccown bullshit cuz see.... you don't want none of this shit man. we both know i'm right.... but you cling to this romantic ideal that because josh mccown has the most invaluable trait known to bears QBs, the he's-not-jay-cutler factor, you have to romanticize him as this great amazing quarterback..... who btw LOST TO THE MINNESOTA FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK.

so there you have it matt.... wanna say no fantasy football and therefore you dont wanna read my FIRE AND PASHIN going on adn on and on slagging you off like the 2-bit Caller Bob you are? fine. but if you're gonna eschew fantasy stats as a total waste and then grandstand to show off to all of your normie buddies here ("heh guys, sini's one of those fantasy losers.... we sure aren't right, *high 5*) then just remember this

YOUR HERO JOSH MCCOWN LOST TO THE FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK. IN A GAME WHERE ALSHON JEFFERY PUT UP 220YDS/2TDS YOU ONLY MANAGED 20 POINTS TO A FUCKING 2-WIN-TEAM

so yeah fuck off fuck you fuck all and go to bed dude, you have to get up and go to work tomorrow while i gotta get up and rub one out to buffy take a nice resin hit and work on a parody rap song about liverpool FC cuz while i'm indeed a fucking loser in most people's eyes (and deservedly so) at least i'm a loser with style and soul you fucking halfwit.

again, nothing personal here just DA FIRE AND DA PASHIN rearing its ugly head in a wholly inconvenient 5+ paragraph-per-message format. and i know a lot of you roll your eyes and think my posts to be far out son of lung and the ramblings of a madman but hey i'll rest easy that the best posters on the board occasionally waste a few mins reading 75% of my posts (cuz yeah i do get redundant sometimes when i'm pissed and driving home a point i shouldn't have to make in the first place if you troglodytes had a proper fucking clue) cuz like, seriously FTFY i'm right you're wrong and i pray to god trestman knows it.


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BTW. McCown lead the league this week with a 141.9 QB rating. I'm unclear what his rating is for the season now. Stats pages show 103.6, but I don't know if that includes tonight.

At any rate, this is an amazing story. This is a way better story than Tebow ever was. This guy busted out of the league, and was coaching HS football. Bears pick him up a couple of years back, and he plays surprisingly decent. He comes in this year and performs as a top QB. Has anything like this ever happened before? I have to doubt that it has. He's been very good in almost every game, and never bad in any games; as a 34 year old NFL bustout. How in the living fuck?


HAHAHAHHAHAHA in all of my posting/typing hubris i jsut went back and noticed this.

so let me get this right.... a guy who refused to read my post purportedly because of a mention of fantasy sports clings to the stat to end all stats, the quarterback rating, as a means of expressing just how awesome josh mccown is?

again, cuz i really want this to sink in for anyone dumb enough to not have me on their foe list: you literally made a public display of laughing off my entire well-versed argument because i mentioned fantasy stats.... yet in your next post you literally drop mccown's QB rating, which btw is calculated using THE SAME EXACT FUCKING STATS USED TO ACCRUE FANTASY POINTS, as an undisputed means of showing what a wonderful story he is?

wow dude.... talk about bias... you're a #McClown and i'm a #TeamCutler (i'll think up a more "viral" name for it later) and basically cuz you love his wonderful "story" you're rooting for him cuz nobody likes jay cutler cuz he;s a douchebag with punch-me face and he married that annoying bitch from the OC/hills/MTV and he's annoying on the league... i get it, you thought J.C. stood for Jesus Christ and not Jay Cutler and he was truly the kid from santa claus (, IN) and that he was going to walk in and be peyton brady out there for you.... and he wasn't. seaons of 7-9, 11-5, 8-8 (7-3 w/cutler), 10-6, and now the team's 7-6..... and you want that wonderful story to uplift you and get that douche out of town cuz now we have a genius offensive guru in town which means that they could plug in juice williams and he'd have a 90 QB rating.... so you want cutler out, preach about spending his $$$ on defensive players and then wonder why your team hangs out in NFL hell where they're right around that 6-10 to 10-6 bubble every year with the occasional down year and the occasional up year, but when you get into the playoffs and those good defenses start fucking your whole world up and you have no way to score points..... i bet you'll wish you had a better QB who at least gives you a fucking chance because he's the superior football player.

but what do i know..... who needs a QB with a better arm, better legs, better mobility, and the ability to throw on the run.... not the bears! duh. all they need to do is give mccown 10 seconds to survey the field and throw to one of those WRs that doesn't have a guy within 3 yards of him.... and that will obviously be there for you all season.... that is, unless the minnesota vikings come a-callin..... but hey you throw the record books out the window when the vikings are in town. and the rams? man they would have beat seattle on that day, let alone the bears.

whatever man. agian nothing personal but seriously go fuck yourself up the ass with a rusty screwdriver until you love it so much you get a tattoo saying "rusty" on your left bicep to commemerate your eternal love with the only lover who always treated you right.

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Honestly, you're a crazy person. As a crazy person, I can legitimately say that. I actually don't disagree with the portions I can be troubled to wade through of your rants, but I don't see that it's clear who the Bears should go with. Based on Marshall's comments, they will go with Cutler. I hope it works.

Edit: and I honestly hope all fantasy players die of VD to bolster the gene pool.


no, i'm not crazy. i'm just smarter than you, more passionate than you, and i obviously give way less of a fuck than you. i'm bored and drunk after a bears game and talking shit on the internet and i don't give a fuck if i take 1000 words to say something..... so your only move in the wake of my unequivocal righteousness is just to go ad hominem attack my character and thus devalidate everything you say, knowing that your fellow middle-aged-brethern will chuckle like "heh i'd shoot my kids if they ever started talking like that"

and yeah, i know i;'m ranting.... isn't that the point of this? i'm fired up and RAH RAH RAH after a bears game... i've got shit to day. i've had people at sports bars bow down to me as "the great sports encyclopedia" and insist on picking up my bartab in lieu of the education i gave them before. see dude, i'm not average. i'm not like you i'm special.... i ride the short bus to the school of hard knocks every day with my helmet on just in case i happen to run face first into a brick wall which btw i did once in 4th grade cuz we were playing that tag game where everyone lines up and runs from one side to the other, and the ppl who get tagged then play defense in the middle until one person survives.... and well when one of those sides is a brick wall and you're getting chased and you dont wanna get caught, yeah, sometimes you gotta run face first into a brick wall even if it's only the difference between finishing 3rd as opposed to 4th.

why?

well like you said....because i'm crazy and i'm ranting.... but in reality it's because unlike you i am not an anonymous nobody who basks in the glory of his omnipresent mediocrity en masse and seeks solace in the validation he gets from other people when he endears himself to the group by pointing at someone else who does things differently from them....

you know what else i'm gonna do different from you and your ilk? i'm gonna go live my dreams. so like i said b4, shut up go to bed and get your sleep cuz you gotta get up and go to work tomorrow buddy. those kids' lunches ain't gonna pack themselves, slugger. keep on going ad hominem with me and call it crazy ranting which is thusly devalidated by virtue of the fact that it has the audacity to exist: the cool ppl on here who i'll always have a round or two for @ the bar will read this and chuckle at your admonishment, whilst you RFDC denis-d-man and the redskingregs of the word go "lol sini is maniac dude just put him on ignore"

but you won't..... cuz you know i'm right and the only way you save face is just to point out the obvious: that compared to you i'm crazy (oh wait, you're crazy too.... nevermind. i guess it's like being able to use the n-word if you're black, right?)

and if you and your banal lower/middle-class existence comprised of soulless drivel in 140chars or less is "sanity" then you're damn right i'm insane.....i am a free man, not a number..... that's why it says #6 on my pot belly right now, because unlike you i'm going to not only find out who #1 is.... but i'm going to leave the fucking village.

meanwhile you're gonna hang out at the village messageboard like "man, remember that guy #6 who escaped here? yeah dude, wasn't he a fucking mental patient?" and that mm-hmmm you get from your fellow programs is the closest you'll ever get to living your dreams you..... human paraquat!

again, quoteth r-kelly this is business it ain't personal. so FOFYFA LATER

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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YOUR HERO JOSH MCCOWN LOST TO THE FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK. IN A GAME WHERE ALSHON JEFFERY PUT UP 220YDS/2TDS YOU ONLY MANAGED 20 POINTS TO A FUCKING 2-WIN-TEAM


Thank for putting this in bold so I didn't have to read the full post.

How do you think Alshon got those 220YDS and 2TDS? Was Cutler throwing to him from the sideline? Did Alshon take the snaps and throw rainbows in the air, so he could run down field and catch them? Did David Blaine visit before the game and show Alshon some cool new illusions?

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you know, when i drive i reckon you'd classify me as an "aggressive driver" because i came to a realization long ago.... if i have to stay back and adapt to everyone else's driving i'm going to be a victim of their circumstances. i'm going to be subject to their dumbassedness which could literally fuck my world up. if i go out there and blaze my own trail through the maze and therefore i create all of the situations/confrontations, welp, i can predict the outcomes with a >95% certainty and everyone will be better for it because i know what the fuck i'm doing.

same thing here.... love me or hate me you will remember me because i am not a soulless consumer program who finds his ultimate validation in life through his uncanny similarity to other people... and that's all you're doing here. you've got a buddy in juiced who literally picked up your schtick and did the exact same thing (which means Juiced is prolly your mult) cuz now you're all "heh heh let's piss him off and get him ranting i bet we can get him to write 5 pages"

adn you know what? i will write 5 pages cuz even if it's just me and 3 other people in the whole of human history who ever read the entirety of my posts they'll get a kick out of it. and you can drop image macros and literally do the msgboard equivalent of plugging your ears like 140.9 QB RATING NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU cuz seriously man.... i'm right. you have nothing to say to me that can prop up your argument, so instead you just pick out arbitrary things like "fantasy points" or "holy shit he wrote a 750 word message" and use it as an excuse to declare yourself categorically superior to me and therefore you transcend reading my posts.
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whatever.... you're reading every fucking word and loving the fact that i've spent the last 15-20 minutes telling you to fuck off. it's your moment in the sun with boy wonder.... and you know the real kicker is? hahahahhahahahahah you have no idea who you're actually talking to.... "sinicalypse" ??? jim??? haaaaaa lordy lord kid you know i'm not the vanity driven type but if there is a god i swear someday i hope you find out who i quite possibly am and then you'll be like "holy shit.... wow. Him? no way.... he was busy writing 18 paragraph rants about why cutler needs to start over mccown"

and once you figure that out, you'll figure out the meaning of life and then you'll just laugh.... that is, b4 you get up and go to work tomorrow.

go to bed, peasant. it's a work night..... you have a family to support. you don't want none of this cuz i can go all night long baby..... bring it!

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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YOUR HERO JOSH MCCOWN LOST TO THE FUCKING VIKINGS LAST WEEK. IN A GAME WHERE ALSHON JEFFERY PUT UP 220YDS/2TDS YOU ONLY MANAGED 20 POINTS TO A FUCKING 2-WIN-TEAM


Thank for putting this in bold so I didn't have to read the full post.

How do you think Alshon got those 220YDS and 2TDS? Was Cutler throwing to him from the sideline? Did Alshon take the snaps and throw rainbows in the air, so he could run down field and catch them? Did David Blaine visit before the game and show Alshon some cool new illusions?

Or did Mccown THROW him the ball and find the open receiver?


matt, do the board a favor and don't post with your mult.... comeon dude. you both are doing the same exact schtick cuz you needed backup.

if you actually read my posts, which i know is against the rules... you'd miss the part where i complemented mccown on making those two long bomb throws to alshon against the vikings........... in a 23-20 loss. if i'm not mistaken i could go back and quote you admonishing me for not counting tonight's 39.58 point game because well it all counts you can;'t drop one game form the overall picture..... yet here you go taking one game as an example to prop your entire argument..... i mean i guess it is in reverse, but what is it? your whole argument is that because he threw 220/2TD to a mostly-wide-open-alshon that therefore he's some great quarterback that transcends the trestman?

dude.. let me make this big and bold for you:

JOSH MCCOWN HAS NO MOBILITY. JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT ESCAPE A COLLAPSING POCKET. JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT THROW ON THE RUN. ERGO, IN THE PLAYOFFS WHEN THE PASS RUSHES ARE THERE 1-2 STEPS QUICKER AND THE RECEIVERS ARE COVERED THAT MUCH TIGHTER YOU WILL NEED JAY CUTLER'S ATHLETICISM/ARM/SKILLS TO PREVAIL

it's like latroy hawkins said to the beat reporters during that legendary 2004 cubs season.... i can do what you do, but you can't do what i do...... sho'nuff (the shogun of harlem) jay cutler can do everything that josh mccown has done over the last few weeks....but jay cutler can do things that josh mccown can't do.... and those things only jay can do will be invaluable in the playoffs when you need the offense to play at the highest level possible.

i should have saved myself a bunch of headaches by avoiding you dinglebaits tonight (key suffix: -bait) but hey DA FIRE AND DA PASHIN infected me and i felt righteous so to the silent minority out there..... hope you enjoyed the exhibitionism for a peek into my mind. i'm sure my last post trolling the shit out of MattITC will provide endless cannon fodder for you lot who wanna slag me off....and hey i'm here to entertain first and foremost so in the immortal words of russel crowe.... ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!

sry for keeping you peasants up on a work night tho.... seriously go to bed. you have colleges to pay for and shit.... get to work!

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JOSH MCCOWN HAS NO MOBILITY. JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT ESCAPE A COLLAPSING POCKET. JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT THROW ON THE RUN. ERGO, IN THE PLAYOFFS WHEN THE PASS RUSHES ARE THERE 1-2 STEPS QUICKER AND THE RECEIVERS ARE COVERED THAT MUCH TIGHTER YOU WILL NEED JAY CUTLER'S ATHLETICISM/ARM/SKILLS TO PREVAIL



JOSH MCCOWN HAS NO MOBILITY
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JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT THROW ON THE RUN
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JOSH MCCOWN CANNOT ESCAPE A COLLAPSING POCKET
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YOU WILL NEED JAY CUTLER'S ATHLETICISM/ARM/SKILLS TO PREVAIL
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btw i just nearly crippled myself inadvertantly executing a ~900-1080 degree spin move dancing to that song. it's my happy place. and uhhh oh yeah in the spirit of babe ruth this won't be the last time you hear this... mwa ha ha.

also, seriously mattITC, can you do us both a favor and log out of your dupe? you #McClowns are irrevocably wrong and uhhh.... yeah seriously fuck your anti-cutler hate.... never bet against a guy with the initials J.C.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 13/16
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I would say that McCown has shown more mobility than Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler was more mobile at one time but he certainly isn't now.

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