Right, don't rely on PFF rankings that put Baltimore 3rd. Rely on the actual stats. Per ESPN, Baltimore is 9th overall, and 14th against the pass. The Bears offense in that game scored 13 in regulation.

I'm tired of raining on the McCown parade, because I really like him, and I love what's happening with the offense. But people just refuse to use perspective. 45 points was great. I would have liked to see just HALF that much the week before against Minnesota, which also has a horrible defense. The Bears would control their own destiny now if that happened. McCown also benefited from 3 dropped picks last night. (No, that's NOT counting the TD to Alshon, which was a real nice go-get-it pass, the same kind Cutler likes to throw). He threw three right to the linebackers, one of them in the end zone.

"If it's a fluke, why isn't it ending?" I don't know. Orton started 6-0 in Denver, and everyone said the same thing. They ended 8-8 and now Orton is a backup.

BUT - Orton "moved the ball better" than Romo last night, no?


One can enjoy the McCown revival without abandoning all logic and perspective. Maybe there should be a new board started where logic is still welcome.

I think you're counting the one where Marshall was clearly held, though. McCown did have a couple of near-INTs, no doubt, but Cutler is almost always good for a few of those as well.

As for logic, I think both sides are guilty. McCown is probably not quite as good as he has shown, but Cutler is nowhere near as good as his supporters argue.

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Unfortunately that cat is out of the bag. Cutler won't be able to survive here anymore unless McCoun were to completely fall apart in the next couple of games.

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At least two of them happened on the same drive too.

Even with an interception McCown would have played a great game.

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No, Cutler just has to play as well as McCown. Shouldn't be that hard right?

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You might be right about the end zone near-pick. I'll look at it again. Marshall did a great job of breaking it up once the defender had it.

Of course Cutler has been inconsistent his whole career, and that could likely continue or maybe he's even in decline. I don't know if I'd sign him. And McCown has clearly shown he's been underrated. It's just that people act like a QB has never been hot for several weeks or even an entire season, or that beating 31st and 32nd ranked defenses means that playoff runs can be made. Cutler CAN do everything McCown can do, and more. Whether he WILL is another story.

What if Trestman can mold Cutler the way he's molded McCown? Think of that.

That's why that tweet from Ten Foot Dipsquad last night was so, so, dumb. To deny there's a controversy? Dumb. What's happening is the very definition of QB controversy.

Well, but if you evaluate a QB you have to count all the throws. It's not like he knew he had a free throw because the previous pick was dropped. It all goes into the evaluation. But still, he did have a great night.

Neither of these guys are franchise saving QB's. Cutler has the talent to be pretty damn good, but he has too many issues upstairs. McCown is just too old to make a long term difference now. I'd be in favor of a cheaper deal for McCown and let him groom a draft pick or a one year franchise deal for Jay until we get something better. I want Jay to be that long term guy, but I am resigned to the fact he will either perform poorly in clutch situations or be hurt too often to be there when we need him.

The great news is that this offense is dynamic. If the QB makes the right reads, there seems to be an open receiver. In addition, there is a lot of talent around the QB.

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That's what we expected to see when the season started. Still may be true since everyone is growing into their roles and the system as the season progresses. But if Cutler can't be or refuses to be molded by Trestman, then there's no hope for him. Cut your losses and move on.

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It also should be pointed out that McCown is only 4 years older than Cutler, and Cutler has played 103 games whereas McCown has only played 58. In terms of wear and tear for a career, McCown is likely in better health than Cutler.

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Finally coming around to the title of this thread. Cutler should resign.

So now we're counting almost picks in evaluating a qb's performance ?? I'm sure I can go over games that Jay Unitas started this year and count,in addition to the 8 actual interceptions he did throw at least 2 more balls per game that shouldve been interceptions too.

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plus the diabeetus hinders his healing ability.

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Even I think you are running this joke into the ground, and that is pretty much my bit to run jokes into the ground.

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Trade a 2nd to the Redskins for Cousins, sign Mc Cowen to be the backup, let Jay walk.

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Actually I was thinking about the one where the pick was made but called back due to the penalty. If the defender doesn't hold Marshall, I don't think he makes the interception.

Doesn't really matter...I think most of us agree it wasn't a perfect performance, just excellent.

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Let Trestman pick his guy. Cousins will demand a big contract soon. The rookie would be cheap for 5 years.

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About time you showed up today. Too much Jay love that needed refutin'.

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I'm always here for that

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Of course. And people do that all the time. "Cutler threw two picks and should've thrown three more!!! " A bad throw is a bad throw, regardless of the result. Just like a dropped pass that was accurate is still a good throw, and a tipped ball that gets picked isn't necessarily a bad throw.

Long term, those things tend to even out. In the short run, a 3-pick game can be a no-pick game with some good fortune.

Be honest, if that was Cutler last night, would you laud him for the performance, or would you say Same Old Cutler but Dallas sucks and dropped his stupid interceptions?

If he had 5 touchdowns? People were talking about how great Cutler was when he had a 3 touchdown, 2 int game earlier in the year and those were real interceptions, not hypothetical ones.

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I have serious doubts Cutler would've put up the game MCcown did last night on the first place but yeah, a qb of his supposed talent should put up gaudy numbers against a shit defense. Problem is he has shown he doesn't do that. It's simple, McCown makes better reads , quicker decisions and just runs this offense overall better than Cutler despite these lollipops he throws around.

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Well, I wasn't! I think he lost a fumble that game, too. He did score the game-winning TD in the last 2 minutes for the second week in a row, though, which was nice to see. But the point was, would you applaud Cutler for a game like last night, and forgive the three dumb interceptions that were dropped?



Maybe McCown does those things better. But he also generally doesn't convert on third and long, he doesn't score in the red zone, and we haven't seen him score much against above-average defenses. I'd love to have a Jay Cutler type of QB that also makes quick decisions and great reads every time. Those QBs are very few and far between and usually go to the HOF. At least with Cutler, there's a chance with Trestman and top flight WR's that he could improve his efficiency. With McCown, you are seeing his ceiling, right now, and you haven't seen him against playoff teams.

Of course we would. I'd applaud Hitler if he scored 5 touchdowns in a blowout win.

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I don't believe you.

I think people would still point out - and correctly so - that Cutler was lucky that his usual dumb throws were dropped instead of picked off. I just want to be fair in evaluating both QBs. I can't sit here and say Cutler would have had 5 TDs last night, that's impossible to claim - maybe even Brady wouldn't have gotten 5. That doesn't happen very often, and it was a great night for McCown. But, I think Cutler would have still won, and I think he also would have won against Minnesota, where McCown lost.

That was my suggestion a few months ago. I think I even said it in the exhibition game against the Bears last year. But, it would never happen.

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Whether Cutler re-signs long-term, one-year franchise, or walks after the season should have no bearing on the fact that the Bears need to draft their next targeted starting QB in the upcoming offseason. Make all the rest of the picks defense.

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I keep saying McCown sucks but after playing arguably the greatest game a Bears QB has every played and doing it in freezing weather I am willing to admit that I may be wrong. McCown may have just needed the right system to bring out his talents. I expect him to suck and in the 7 games he has played in he has been good to all time great. Why has he been able to get the offense and be more efficient than Cutler (I still believe he has far more talent) even though Cutler has taken at least twice the number of reps? McCown just may be a better QB for this system.

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I know Snyder loves him but is there a chance RG3 may be the QB available?

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