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As some of you may know, we are in the midst of, or at least very close to, “Jimmy V Week,” during which E.S.P.N. invokes the name of the late basketball coach to raise money for cancer research. For the record, I fully support cancer research, and it is not important to me whether Jim Valvano was a decent guy or not.

I find it interesting, however, that E.S.P.N. recently rejected a spot submitted by Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center, because (OH NO!) the spot stupidly mentioned that at Cardinal Glennon “we celebrate the birth of Jesus and the season of giving, bringing hope to the many children, parents, and families that we serve." Yes, they naively bring hope to many children, including those children afflicted with…..cancer. Can we not all agree that there are few things more heartbreaking than a young, innocent child afflicted with cancer? Can we not envision the good that might be done, or the donations to this hospital that might arise from an advertisement aired on E.S.P.N? What if these donations helped just one (1) child – would it be worth putting up with the inconvenience of a Catholic Hospital actually mentioning Jesus Christ during the Christmas season?

A cynical person might ask: does the E.S.P.N. corporation truly care about eradicating cancer? A very cynical person might ask: does Jimmy V Week actually serve solely as good corporate publicity for E.S.P.N., perhaps a way to promote the upcoming Jimmy V Classic?

I find it all very distasteful.

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Agreed


Also really glad you did not type out Entertainment Sports Programming Network each time.

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Is there a source on this? So they didn't run a spot from a church group, which is their right, and therefore you question whether or not they are against cancer?


Your post is equally, if not more, distasteful.

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/12/catholic-childrens-foundation-makes-huge-allegation-against-espn-network-rejected-christmas-ad-over-mention-of-the-birth-of-jesus-and-god/


“As originally submitted, the spot did not meet our commercial advocacy standards, which we adhere to consistently,” Krulewitz said in the statement. “We have since been supplied with a different commercial which will air on the 14th.”

So let's all fuckin' relax.

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“As originally submitted, the spot did not meet our commercial advocacy standards, which we adhere to consistently,” Krulewitz said in the statement. “We have since been supplied with a different commercial which will air on the 14th.”

So let's all fuckin' relax.

How can we relax when the entire Disney corporation thinks it's ok if kids have cancer as long as they watch the basketball tournament??

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Well, it is not really a "church group." More like a children's hospital, serving and caring for children of all faiths. And you are correct - E.S.P.N. certainly had the right to reject the spot. That was not my point.

In any case, I respect your opinion, and wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.

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Well, it is not really a "church group." More like a children's hospital, serving and caring for children of all faiths. And you are correct - E.S.P.N. certainly had the right to reject the spot. That was not my point.

In any case, I respect your opinion, and wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.

You too! All the best to you and yours..


St. Jude's is a children's hospital that gets all sorts of commercial and private support. Wonder what the big difference would be?

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A portion of ESPN’s ad standards governing religion read as follows: “ESPN does not accept advertising that consists of, in whole or in part, political or religious advocacy, or issue-oriented advertising.”

Oh no! They ran a different ad for them. If the charity was so offended by the Boo-yahs they shouldn't have submitted a different one.


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However ESPN is the douchebag of every week.

This is agreeable.

However, I am kinda liking the Olbermann show on ESPN at night. It's almost like old school sports center - mostly just him doing highlites and making comments.

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However ESPN is the douchebag of every week.
So, basically we took two very different roads leading to the identical conclusion. I can live with that.

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If Jesus wants to show up on ESPN, he has ways of getting on the air.

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If Jesus wants to show up on ESPN, he has ways of getting on the air.

Yes. If Jesus Christ returned to this earth and wanted to cut a promotional ad for an upcoming N.B.A. game on E.S.P.N., they would find a way around their corporate advertisement policy.

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As some of you may know, we are in the midst of, or at least very close to, “Jimmy V Week,” during which E.S.P.N. invokes the name of the late basketball coach to raise money for cancer research. For the record, I fully support cancer research, and it is not important to me whether Jim Valvano was a decent guy or not.

I find it interesting, however, that E.S.P.N. recently rejected a spot submitted by Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center, because (OH NO!) the spot stupidly mentioned that at Cardinal Glennon “we celebrate the birth of Jesus and the season of giving, bringing hope to the many children, parents, and families that we serve." Yes, they naively bring hope to many children, including those children afflicted with…..cancer. Can we not all agree that there are few things more heartbreaking than a young, innocent child afflicted with cancer? Can we not envision the good that might be done, or the donations to this hospital that might arise from an advertisement aired on E.S.P.N? What if these donations helped just one (1) child – would it be worth putting up with the inconvenience of a Catholic Hospital actually mentioning Jesus Christ during the Christmas season?

A cynical person might ask: does the E.S.P.N. corporation truly care about eradicating cancer? A very cynical person might ask: does Jimmy V Week actually serve solely as good corporate publicity for E.S.P.N., perhaps a way to promote the upcoming Jimmy V Classic?

I find it all very distasteful.


If it doesnt matter, why do they need to mention it? They could eliminate the Birth of jeezus? I easily could see them having a simple policy that prohibits the across the board, so they dont get sued by some hate group that claims ESPN DISNEY doesnt respect their right to promote their made up BS religion?

I think you took this one step too far about the "does ESPN care about eradicating cancer?" I think the answer is just as much as the "Pink people" do. or any other corp that affiliates themselves with cancer fundraising.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
If Jesus wants to show up on ESPN, he has ways of getting on the air.

Yes. If Jesus Christ returned to this earth and wanted to cut a promotional ad for an upcoming N.B.A. game on E.S.P.N., they would find a way around their corporate advertisement policy.


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If Jesus wants to show up on ESPN, he has ways of getting on the air.

Yes. If Jesus Christ returned to this earth and wanted to cut a promotional ad for an upcoming N.B.A. game on E.S.P.N., they would find a way around their corporate advertisement policy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
If Jesus wants to show up on ESPN, he has ways of getting on the air.

Yes. If Jesus Christ returned to this earth and wanted to cut a promotional ad for an upcoming N.B.A. game on E.S.P.N., they would find a way around their corporate advertisement policy.

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If it doesnt matter, why do they need to mention it? They could eliminate the Birth of jeezus? I easily could see them having a simple policy that prohibits the across the board, so they dont get sued by some hate group that claims ESPN DISNEY doesnt respect their right to promote their made up BS religion?

I think you took this one step too far about the "does ESPN care about eradicating cancer?" I think the answer is just as much as the "Pink people" do. or any other corp that affiliates themselves with cancer fundraising.


So I saw a Catholic Hospital being denied a chance to air a commercial on E.S.P.N. and I got steamed. What are you going to do, kick me off your message board? The people are nicer over at the Midwest anyway. It is like an actual policy there - it might even be in their Message Board Mission Statement, if they have one.

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The people are nicer over at the Midwest Regional Sports Fan Message Board anyway.


It's snowing over there.

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If it doesnt matter, why do they need to mention it? They could eliminate the Birth of jeezus? I easily could see them having a simple policy that prohibits the across the board, so they dont get sued by some hate group that claims ESPN DISNEY doesnt respect their right to promote their made up BS religion?

I think you took this one step too far about the "does ESPN care about eradicating cancer?" I think the answer is just as much as the "Pink people" do. or any other corp that affiliates themselves with cancer fundraising.


So I saw a Catholic Hospital being denied a chance to air a commercial on E.S.P.N. and I got steamed. What are you going to do, kick me off your message board? The people are nicer over at the Midwest Regional Sports Fan Message Board anyway. It is like an actual policy there - it might even be in their Message Board Mission Statement, if they have one.


I love when people get angry about religion.

Hopefully, you can understand a corporation not wanting to set a precedent of allowing religions to advertise or promote, as it is then just a matter of time before one that might has true hate at its roots wants air time and equal time is not given to the "bad" religion.

Of course who is to say it is bad or good, but this is why they eliminate such an issue.

if you wish to promote your religious thoughts and prayers here, feel free to.

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Roses, what's with the use of periods for ESPN and NBA? Did I miss something? I find it as weird as when Ed Sherman addresses someone as Mr. Jones instead of just using their last name like most columnists. Do tell.


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I love when people get angry about religion.

Hopefully, you can understand a corporation not wanting to set a precedent of allowing religions to advertise or promote, as it is then just a matter of time before one that might has true hate at its roots wants air time and equal time is not given to the "bad" religion.

Of course who is to say it is bad or good, but this is why they eliminate such an issue.

if you wish to promote your religious thoughts and prayers here, feel free to.



Why are you under the impression that equal air time applies here?

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I love when people get angry about religion.

Hopefully, you can understand a corporation not wanting to set a precedent of allowing religions to advertise or promote, as it is then just a matter of time before one that might has true hate at its roots wants air time and equal time is not given to the "bad" religion.

Of course who is to say it is bad or good, but this is why they eliminate such an issue.

if you wish to promote your religious thoughts and prayers here, feel free to.



Why are you under the impression that equal air time applies here?


legally, not at all.

However, If they have a "Policy" about not doing "religious" promotions, then when the extremist Left, right, or any group comes to the door, they can say "sorry its our policy", they can do so without a fight that they want no part of at all. 'the Mouse" is an international brand, they want ZERo controversy about anything.

they are not alone in this type of policy. of course, at the same time they dont want this advertised either.

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I love when people get angry about religion.

Hopefully, you can understand a corporation not wanting to set a precedent of allowing religions to advertise or promote, as it is then just a matter of time before one that might has true hate at its roots wants air time and equal time is not given to the "bad" religion.

Of course who is to say it is bad or good, but this is why they eliminate such an issue.

if you wish to promote your religious thoughts and prayers here, feel free to.



Why are you under the impression that equal air time applies here?


legally, not at all.

However, If they have a "Policy" about not doing "religious" promotions, then when the extremist Left, right, or any group comes to the door, they can say "sorry its our policy", they can do so without a fight that they want no part of at all. 'the Mouse" is an international brand, they want ZERo controversy about anything.

they are not alone in this type of policy. of course, at the same time they dont want this advertised either.



It was a public service announcement. And it wasn't their policy. They have run on ESPN stations in the past. So much for the "Mouse" not wanting any controversy.

And Krulewitz backed down after O'Reilly called him out last night. If someone is looking for controversy, there it is.

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If it doesnt matter, why do they need to mention it? They could eliminate the Birth of jeezus? I easily could see them having a simple policy that prohibits the across the board, so they dont get sued by some hate group that claims ESPN DISNEY doesnt respect their right to promote their made up BS religion?

I think you took this one step too far about the "does ESPN care about eradicating cancer?" I think the answer is just as much as the "Pink people" do. or any other corp that affiliates themselves with cancer fundraising.


So I saw a Catholic Hospital being denied a chance to air a commercial on E.S.P.N. and I got steamed. What are you going to do, kick me off your message board? The people are nicer over at the Midwest anyway. It is like an actual policy there - it might even be in their Message Board Mission Statement, if they have one.


Dude, hold up ... where can you even find that inferred?

As far as the original question you posed - very obviously ESPN doesn't give a shit about cancer per se ... ESPN is a corporation, and corporations - when personified - "care" about one thing: profit. That answers every question ... the answer is related to profit.

Does it help? Do it.
Does it endanger? Fix it.
Does it lose money? Fuck it.

That's it, period, no exceptions.

One of the greatest things to ever happen for ESPN was Jimmy V giving that exact speech, then croaking, then somebody monetizing the whole damn thing. This fucking country can't wait to get maudlin about something like that. It's a wonderfully dreadful symbiosis of sanctimonious capitalism that ends up bleeding people of emotion and money to the point where they too often don't have enough of either for things that actually matter .... and a worldwide sports conglomerate not wanting "Jesus" said by name on their private broadcast signal is not one of those things to lose sleep over, no matter what the cause.

If the Pope had said "let's excise Jesus' name from this to make it more palatable to the viewer demographics", then we've probably got something to say "what the flying fuck" about. ESPN? No ... come on ... you're smarter than that ... you're better than that.

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If it doesnt matter, why do they need to mention it? They could eliminate the Birth of jeezus? I easily could see them having a simple policy that prohibits the across the board, so they dont get sued by some hate group that claims ESPN DISNEY doesnt respect their right to promote their made up BS religion?

I think you took this one step too far about the "does ESPN care about eradicating cancer?" I think the answer is just as much as the "Pink people" do. or any other corp that affiliates themselves with cancer fundraising.


So I saw a Catholic Hospital being denied a chance to air a commercial on E.S.P.N. and I got steamed. What are you going to do, kick me off your message board? The people are nicer over at the Midwest anyway. It is like an actual policy there - it might even be in their Message Board Mission Statement, if they have one.


Dude, hold up ... where can you even find that inferred?

As far as the original question you posed - very obviously ESPN doesn't give a shit about cancer per se ... ESPN is a corporation, and corporations - when personified - "care" about one thing: profit. That answers every question ... the answer is related to profit.

Does it help? Do it.
Does it endanger? Fix it.
Does it lose money? Fuck it.

That's it, period, no exceptions.

One of the greatest things to ever happen for ESPN was Jimmy V giving that exact speech, then croaking, then somebody monetizing the whole damn thing. This fucking country can't wait to get maudlin about something like that. It's a wonderfully dreadful symbiosis of sanctimonious capitalism that ends up bleeding people of emotion and money to the point where they too often don't have enough of either for things that actually matter .... and a worldwide sports conglomerate not wanting "Jesus" said by name on their private broadcast signal is not one of those things to lose sleep over, no matter what the cause.

If the Pope had said "let's excise Jesus' name from this to make it more palatable to the viewer demographics", then we've probably got something to say "what the flying fuck" about. ESPN? No ... come on ... you're smarter than that ... you're better than that.



:lol: :lol:

Because athletes never refer to Jesus on their airwaves after a game.

And because they didn't follow Tebow around like hounds in heat.

You are correct here SR86. ESPN's insincerity in this situation is more so than normal.

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