Im being objective. It wasnt a great throw and I would never credit a QB with a 40 yd td run by a running back.

Im not saying he was bad, Im saying attributing all the 4th quarter points to him, as if he came in and threw 3 tds and led passing drives, is not prudent

I would. It's my opinion that using Offensive Points is a decent statistic to describing the health of the offense. It definitely tells you something.

I would credit him with plays he made on the drive, but not the run.

I mean, it would certainly be different if it was a 40 yard bomb hitting the reciever in stride for the touchdown, rather than handing the ball to Bush.

Cutler had a decent game and was decent in the 4th.

I honestly don't remember, but safe to say you never cite wins in baseball or football for pitchers/QBs respectively?

It's already been explained by I think Nas. There is a huge difference between throwing it up on a 1v1 or a spot where it's WR or out of bounds.

That was a horrendous decision and throw. Jeffrey was bracketed and the throw a damn rainbow. When Cutler released the ball all the Bears fans in our section were cursing. Fortunately, the Browns are the Browns.

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For QB's yes. For pitchers on a limited basis. (Halfway between you and JORR)

And McCown threw into double coverage in Minnesota and Jeffrey made a circus catch. So you must take that away from McCown and say he only scored 13 points against a putrid Minnesota secondary.

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People did the same for Josh.

Though, what Cutler did looked like a hail mary. I think that is the major difference there.

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So, anytime there is a defender even close to a receiver, it is the same as what Cutler did. And we are apparently unable to discern the difference between different situations and different throws. Got it.

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I'm not gonna argue that the dude sucks, but heaving a 50 yard bomb up for grabs into the end zone on 3rd and 11 is not a bad play, its a great play.

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Yep, you see my point exactly.

Bennett's fumble was also Cutler's fault. Never should have thrown to the open tight end. What a bum, let him walk.

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What is your assessment of Jay Cutler at this point in his career?

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Don't be such a drama queen.

Are you kidding? This section has been all about drama since Cutler went down. Jay could have thrown for 400 yards with 4 TDs and 1 INT and people would still be bitching here. I said I thought it was the wrong decision to start Jay this week. He was FAR from perfect, but got a win on the road when his team was trailing on the 4th quarter. He had 2 INTs in the first half and ended the game with the win and a QB rating over 100, his 3rd highest of the season. His highest rating this season was 128 in a LOSS against the Saints.

What does it matter what I think of Jay Cutler's career? I'm talking about 1 game from yesterday. Aaron Rodgers has had a terrific career overall, but you don't think there were people dogging him after he lost to the Giants in the playoffs?

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Well, I'd start with a road win against a team that most agreed had a pretty good defense. That's a vast improvement over losing the last 2 road games against St. Louis and Minnesota where they scored 21 second-half points, total, in both games and only 7 in the 4th quarter total. They got 21 in the 4th quarter alone yesterday.

I thought Cutler looked great keeping drives alive on 3rd down. They looked better in the red zone.

McCown did a great job keeping the Bears afloat. But, just look at what Matt Flynn did to the Cowboys yesterday. Let's not get carried away about who McCown is.

Cutler can win games and he can lose them. But he's a better talent and he should be playing.

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I don't think you are giving McCown enough credit here. For his career, McCown hasn't been good but it's hard to deny just how well he was playing.

I'm on record as thinking that Josh McCown isn't very good but at least this year he was better than Jay Cutler.

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You are lumping everyone who criticizes Cutler into one group, which is ridiculous. I, along with many others, am not BRick. I defended Cutler for 90% of his time here. Stop going all tribal and getting all butt-hurt over a difference of opinion.

Jay Cutler did not impress me yesterday. That game should have been out of reach early if he wasn't sailing passes and forcing throws. I hope to hell Jay Cutler DOES impress me moving forward, and I'll be the first to admit it if he does. He didn't yesterday. There is much less rhythm to the offense when Cutler is in as opposed to McCown. I don't need any stats to tell me this. I'm still not saying McCown is the answer moving forward, but he is better RIGHT NOW.

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I'm giving McCown a sufficient amount of credit. His job is to keep the team competitive while the starter is out so the season doesn't end. He did an excellent job.

Throw out the Washington and Detroit game because Cutler was injured and that's just football. When Cutler was healthy, the Bears are 5-2 with losses to New Orleans and Detroit. McCown was 3-2 with losses to Minnesota and St. Louis.

He's done fine and now Cutler is healthy and there's still a chance to get to the playoffs. Success. That's the way it's supposed to work.

McCown has no signature-type statement wins and I have no confidence that he could beat a good defense. He had nice stats but before the Dallas game he was averaging about 20 points/game. Cutler has been at 27 points or more in 5 of 7 healthy starts. Cutler's rating has been over 100 in his last 3 healthy starts. Cutler should be playing.

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I think its pretty obvious: start McCown in the first half, play Cutler in the second half. The numbers would be off the charts. Bears would score 50 points a game.

Let's throw out the other two losses and call Cutler 5-0!

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You want to count them. Go ahead. I thought you wanted to determine how they have performed.

I'll grant you that McCown is better than Cutler is when Cutler has a pulled groin.

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McCown has been better than Cutler this year

I don't think either should be judged on win/loss record. If the coach isn't an idiot, the Bears beat the Vikings.

Again, Cutler has never been as good as McCown was in any similar stretch of Cutler's career. Now, maybe McCown was a fluke but it still doesn't change that fact.

Ultimately, your argument seems to be that Jay Cutler is better than McCown because Jay Cutler is better than McCown. For their career, of course that is true. McCown is below average, and Cutler is above average. This year, McCown outperformed him and it would be interesting to see what had happened if McCown was given a chance to fail as much as you seem to think he would.

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Statistically, he's also been better than Aaron Rodgers.

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That is why you keep playing him!

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I see your point here, Doc, but I don't think anyone is clamoring for Josh McCown forever. If McCown was playing statistically as well as any QB in the NFL, why wouldn't you ride that out until he gave you reason not to? At that point, Cutler is still available. He was clearly playing better than Cutler for the time he was in.

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They also would have beaten them if they'd scored more than 0 points in the last 6 drives of the game.




I'm glad you finally agree.



Well, based on history, it's pretty safe to say he would have failed at some point again like he failed in St. Louis and in Minnesota. They had a chance in that StL game, they were only down 10 at half, and the offense shut down for about 2 quarters from the beginning of the 2nd to the middle of the 4th.

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So, you expect Josh McCown to go undefeated?

Can I get Frank to come in here and blame the defense like he was at convenient points in the season?

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He was hit as he threw it. The pass was modified, and it was a roughing the passer penalty as well.