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"The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have activated forward Bryan Bickell from Injured Reserve. Additionally, the team has reassigned forward Jeremy Morin to the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League."

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Minooka Meatball wrote:
"The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have activated forward Bryan Bickell from Injured Reserve. Additionally, the team has reassigned forward Jeremy Morin to the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League."


Bickell needs to start earning that contract.

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Minooka Meatball wrote:
"The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have activated forward Bryan Bickell from Injured Reserve. Additionally, the team has reassigned forward Jeremy Morin to the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League."

Both Morin and Pirri have played better than Bickell when he was healthy this year.

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Minooka Meatball wrote:
"The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have activated forward Bryan Bickell from Injured Reserve. Additionally, the team has reassigned forward Jeremy Morin to the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League."


Bickell needs to start earning that contract.


He will earn it when play gets more physical during the Cup run. The guy tends to get banged up and worn down. He just needs to show up with his A game in the playoffs.

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Wouldn't be surprised if that's the end of Morin for the year. Q just won't play the guy.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:57 am 
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I like Morin's game. Oh well.


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http://thecommittedindian.com/angry-at-numbers-1216/

Good metrics post over on The Committed Indian about Morin's ability to draw penalties. I had noticed much the same, but he had also been taking his fair share of penalties as well as of late, which probably isn't the best idea when your kill unit can't stop a beach ball. I hope he can figure out the defensive responsibilities he needs to have to stick next time, if there even is a next time. It's frustrating that that's the way it has to be, but I kinda like it. It's sort of the "if you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat" of hockey development/strategy.

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As a Q hater, I continue to assert that Q mishandles young players. The ongoing problems with the penalty kill and power play at various points in the last few years are another Q negative. But at least we know why one of his assistant coaches still has a job- he co-owns a horse with Q.

I am not sure which I hate more- reading a Barry Rozner article or reading coach Q quotes. They both suck.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:10 pm 
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Being a "Q hater" seems like a bad idea. He's not without his flaws, particularly with respect to jerking around prospects, but let's not have selective memory: Andrew Shaw came up at age 20 with half a season of AHL work and was allowed to be a part of this team. Ben Smith has always gotten a chance to work the fourth line when he's actually been healthy. Brandon Saad played on the first line most of last season. It's mostly fine that he doesn't see fit to work with unfinished products. That's what the developmental affiliate is for. He's not running the Edmonton Oilers here.

I guess I just have a hard time arguing with long-term results. Q is going to finish out the year with more wins than any coach in history but Scotty Bowman and Al Arbour. Does that mean he's as good as Bowman and Arbour? No. No one is. But it counts for something. You can just call him a compiler, or argue that his three-year stint in Colorado without the cores he had in Chicago or St. Louis exposed him a bit, but I think sometimes we forget just how bad a lot of NHL coaches are. Objectively speaking, Mike Babcock is probably the best coach in the league, and even Wings fans pull their hair out at his alleged coasting on a loaded roster and his obsession with giving top-six minutes to Dan fucking Cleary. Sound familiar? And that's to say nothing of anyone below the 60th percentile of NHL coaches, who are almost without exception a bunch of punch-drunk bumblefucks. Think about it. We could have Claude Noel, or Alain Vigneault, or Randy Carlyle. Fucking Joe Sacco was allowed to suck at his job for years and no one seemed to notice or care!

So yeah, it's totally fine to be frustrated with Q, but he's as big a part of this success as anyone. The Hawks don't go to three semifinals, win two Cups, and pick up a President's Trophy with Denis Savard.

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I can't argue with his success. Specific to the Blackhawks, I think even an average coach would win the cup with this team. I can't stand those items I listed on top of the constant line shuffling. The media gives him credit for putting Keith and Seabrook back together in the playoffs last season, but how about attacking him for splitting them up in the first place?

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Wasn't there some defensible (no pun intended) reason for having split them up? Wasn't Seabrook kind of faltering and getting outplayed at stay-at-home-D by Hjalmarsson?

The line-shuffling thing cuts both ways. Coaches elsewhere get assailed for keeping groups together that don't work: like I said above, Babcock's bizarre insistence on sticking Cleary on a line with Datsyuk and/or Zetterberg.

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I get it. I am just giving you my reasons for disliking his style. Again, like you said, hard to argue with the results.

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http://thecommittedindian.com/these-pictures-of-q/

Great column and comments right here. Best part:

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His overriding philosophy. And it’s one a lot of teams don’t understand and get wrong. Q believes in defensive responsibility with speed. The Hawks speed isn’t just being able to streak up the ice to score, beating defenders to the outside, and tearing through the neutral zone. Where their speed is truly devastating is actually in reverse, on the backcheck. They Hawks can squeeze teams so quickly, and it’s why their defense can stand up at their blue line and basically give the opponents about 10 feet to play in. All the Hawks D can be so aggressive because even if they miss there’s a retreating forward right on the puck-carriers’ ass. It’s how they cause so many turnovers in the neutral zone and turn it around so quickly into odd-man rushes for themselves. Essentially the Hawk forwards push the opponents into the jagged rocks of the defense at a speed faster than the opponents want to play and they have to make decisions quicker than they want. It’s the base for the Hawks’ entire game.


and a very interesting comment in response:

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One thing about Q's overall philosophy, which you've nicely described, is how modern it is. It really depends on the modern-era version of an NHL roster, the concept perfected by the 2000s Red Wings, of four lines and three pairs who rotate relentlessly and always skate intense short shifts.

(A team having even one full line of old-school big plodding bangers can't play the way the Hawks do because that line won't be able to keep up the pace. So either the opposition exploits that line to get an endless collection of odd-man breaks or else the other lines get worn out by taking longer shifts to compensate. In the Hawks' system even a single relatively-slow skater, viz Bollig or Handzus, stands out and makes us all queasy.)

No NHL team in the era of Q's playing career really followed Q's coaching system. Well except as a temporary thing, the way NBA teams will sometimes switch to a full-court press...moreover Quenneville personally as a player could not play well in this system. (He was a well-regarded but by his own admission slowfooted stay-at-home defenseman of an older school.)

To me that's interesting: as a coach he's adopted and committed to a structure which neither his own playing career nor the hockey traditions he grew up in could have provided examples for. The exact opposite of so many reactionary coaches and hockey mediots for whom the way it was done back in the day (whenever their specific day was) is forevermore the template of what they consider to be holy and correct...Q is the anti-Milbury, we might say.


Paragraph 2 of that comment is pretty much why the Hawks swept the Sharks in 2010, by the way. Q rolled four lines while McLellan rode his top six like a mechanical bull. The Hawks wore Thornton/Marleau/Heatley out and pounced hard on their plugs.

Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't call myself the president of the Joel Quenneville ALS. (I did do that for B&B, and look how that turned out.) But it is nice to get a dash of perspective regarding the things he does bring to the club. It's so easy to lose the big picture when we lock in on every Hawks game and don't keep a pulse on the rest of the league. He's a very good coach.

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I guess we can deduce ( which was the prevailing opinion anyway) that Morin and Pirri aren't coming back defensively like Handzus or insert player here does .

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Q always complains (if you read all his quotes) about how young players need to be two way players. He worried about that with Versteeg as well. I don't get how otherwise NHL ready players will learn that in Rockford. You learn by making mistakes in the NHL and under his watchful eye. And as I have said many times, this team can afford such mistakes, whether that's giving up a goal or losing a regular season game.

No one can argue Q is a bad coach. His Cup victories and coaching record speak for themselves. What I have argued is that this team could be even better. The power play has struggled over the past several years with the recent streak excepted. Their penalty kill is now a mess. Keep in mind, this is a team with incredible depth and talent, and yet special teams have struggled at many points. Also, his handling of young players is poor. And my final complaint is the line shuffling.

I don't like his style at all.

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