His team would have never let that fumble TD happen.

Would have been 14-3 Bears.

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Agreed but they'd have come in 7-8 with nothing to play for

That's not important right now.

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And they would get off the bus running the ball.

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Yea.....just imagine what Mike Martz would have done with this offense.

Cutler would have gained more yards after being sacked on seven step drops than Bush did all season.

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I'm not sure about that. The defense and some horrible coaching decisions cost the Bears just about every game this year. That would have been different. I still believe Lovie as the coach and Trestman as the OC would have been a winning combination. IIRC Lovie was fired after he refused to fire Tice.

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Wow.

If that's the case, he screwed the pooch on that one. Lovie/Trestman would have been nice.

I don't remember Trestman's name coming up last year as anything other than HC. I think he was an option as OC when Lovie first got hired, but Shea was hired instead.

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The threads are around. He was being looked at as and offensive coordinator according to the reports. At some point he knocked the socks off of Emery and that changed.

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Lovie did a reasonably good job, but never got the offense straightened out. His choices of Coordinators were bad and his dismissal was warranted. But I think it's true that a Lovie Smith defense doesn't leave that ball laying there. In fact, they may well have scooped it up quickly and run it the other way for a defensive TD. Time to consider a new D.C. (Les Frazier if the Vikings fire him?) and restock the defense. Obviously a decision on what to do about Cutler will need to be made too. It will be interesting to see if Lovie gets another Head Coaching job. I'm sure he will be getting some interviews.

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Trestman has proven himself as nothing more than offensive Lovie at this point in his HC career.

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You mean the Bears would've led 7-3.

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One year. Not sure you can determine that yet. Now if next year changes are made and the results are the same then I would agree with you.

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I think Lovie was a better leader. I think Jauron was a great leader too. You never questioned the effort on those teams. I don't think Trestman is anywhere near being a good leader. If his offense fails they will turn their backs on him immediately. You'll probably start to hear some noise from guys leaving.

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1. attention to one side of the ball
2. choice in coordinators

I am hoping I don't have to add 3. allegiance to coordinators

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They wouldn't have returned it for 7?

If James Anderson picks up that ball he literally could have walked in.

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I'll give Lovie the shoutout for being smart enough to not coach this year and stay home for 5 million. That's living the dream right there. Also if he were coordinator of this defense I feel it would've been same results especially after the injuries. All he would've done is sit back in cover 2 and wait for turnovers that were never going to happen and just get put to death by a thousand cuts by opposing offenses. No pass rush and cover 2 gets eaten alive.

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I disagree about the defense. Over his last couple of years they learned how to play without Urlacher and others. Losing Urlacher usually meant a huge drop off but his last couple years here they were still able to have success defensively with injuries. Offense was the issue. If Forte or Cutler went down the season was pretty much over. Lovie could coach defense. Mel Tucker can't.

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Much as I hate Lovie, he was doomed by the terrible drafting. Bears will be dealing with that for years to come.

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Check out defense stats from 2007-2009, right after the super bowl and before peppers. Those were bad years according to Lovie standards, and they failed to make the playoffs. Sustained injuries to Urlacher, Mike Brown, etc. They were bad - but never this bad. The difference is coaching. Your backup players will make it tough to succeed, but the difference between mediocre defense, which is what Lovie produced during the time period I mentioned, and league-worst defense under Tucker, is coaching. Your backup may not make the play, but good coaching means he's at least in the right spot. Lovies guys were fundamentally disciplined.

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yeah but his whole defensive philosophy was dictated on bend don't break, we will take it away before you can drive 80 yards on us. After the injuries, where were those turnovers going to come from? The back ups were not good and couldn't force turnovers.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

That's the thing though. Even when they didn't take the ball away they let teams drive till they stalled or settled for a FG. Look at his points given up per game in his worst years. They were still competitive if they had a decent offense. I believe this is a the ends justify the means business. If bend don't break as a philosophy yields 16 points given up at best, and 23-24 or whatever I'm your worst years, then I'll take it.

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I realize this thread is sarcastic, but there is some merit to the idea that things would have been different under Lovie. This is not to complain about his dismissal - I thought it was the right thing to do for obvious reasons - but to just reiterate how his approach and coaching formed the backbone of much of his defenses' success.

Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere, but here are some supporting quotes from Urlacher:



http://fansided.com/2013/12/29/brian-ur ... el-tucker/

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I'm afeared both Lovie and Tresty are clueless with regards to the opposite side of the ball.

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Yes, and as for the here and now with Trestman, that's unacceptable. Aim to become great at both, and don't make your DC the de facto HC of the defense.

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Figured the Lovie deal in Tampa would be done by now? Guessing they asked Lovie who will be his OC and he brought out his lists....lol......

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He went into the job interviews with Tedford as his OC.