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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:18 am 
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How about just making things much simpler and saying that once a QB leaves the pocket he is no longer afforded any protections that any other offensive player with the ball wouldn't be afforded?


I thought this was already the rule. RB's are hit late all the time. They even get tackled after the whistle.

If a running back or receiver just falls down and someone rolls over on him like the play today, I really doubt any official would even consider throwing a flag.


Exact same play with Nick Foles with just over two minutes left in the Boys-Eagles game last night.

"Good no call there." from Al Michaels.

No one told Clete Blakeman that.

Saw the play...kudos to him for not throwing his flag...but more often than not (as we saw yesterday), that gets called, which is bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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How in the fuck is that even missed? I'm getting more pissed off every time I see that screen shot.

Happens quite frequently.


You're right. I think it is more of the refs giving them the benefit of the doubt early in games. I cannot recall seeing that call missed late in a big game.

Refs are probably afraid to make that call.

I don't understand why the NFL doesn't just have a buzzer/horn that sounds when the play clock expires, much like a shot-clock in NBA. It would make a delay of game obvious then. That way it could be a challengable play also.

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At best it was a ticky tack call, but it was certainly not "textbook"
Its textbook to Green Bay fans because Favre and Rodgers always get the benefit of those calls.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:54 am 
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Shea's hit was a clear-cut late hit penalty. You can't just jump on a guy after he's been tackled. The refs were bad though


Shea was already falling down and he was trying to stop himself. That isn't called if Rodgers isn't coming off an injury.

It's called every time even 15 years ago. He had plenty of time and ability to not jump on a guy who was already down. He chose to jump on him. Textbook late hit

Absolutely not

A textbook late hit is a guy who dives at a tackled player. McClellin was pursuing and tried to pull up.


At best it was a ticky tack call, but it was certainly not "textbook"

That's absolutely not true. He did not even attempt to pull up. He was pursuing and then jumped on Rodgers after he was down and after Shea had plenty of time to not jump on him. That was a good call. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:22 am 
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That's absolutely not true. He did not even attempt to pull up. He was pursuing and then jumped on Rodgers after he was down and after Shea had plenty of time to not jump on him. That was a good call. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

You must have seen a different play. The announcers agreed it was ticky tacky and not really a penalty

He did not jump on. He was pursuing. By the time Rodgers went down he was like a yard away running at full speed. He did all he could.

You're crazy to suggest Im crazy.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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That's absolutely not true. He did not even attempt to pull up. He was pursuing and then jumped on Rodgers after he was down and after Shea had plenty of time to not jump on him. That was a good call. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

You must have seen a different play. The announcers agreed it was ticky tacky and not really a penalty

He did not jump on. He was pursuing. By the time Rodgers went down he was like a yard away running at full speed. He did all he could.

You're crazy to suggest Im crazy.

You're better at the internet than me. Find the play/gif and post it and it will be clear that I am right. The fact that Joe Buck and/or Aikman agrees with you makes me feel that much more reassured.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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That's absolutely not true. He did not even attempt to pull up. He was pursuing and then jumped on Rodgers after he was down and after Shea had plenty of time to not jump on him. That was a good call. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

You must have seen a different play. The announcers agreed it was ticky tacky and not really a penalty

He did not jump on. He was pursuing. By the time Rodgers went down he was like a yard away running at full speed. He did all he could.

You're crazy to suggest Im crazy.

You're better at the internet than me. Find the play/gif and post it and it will be clear that I am right. The fact that Joe Buck and/or Aikman agrees with you makes me feel that much more reassured.

Yeah, Buck and Aikman were wrong and youre right

Here is the link to the gifs.

Both clearly show Shea putting his hands out as if to stop himself. You are wrong, unless you believe McClellin was playing two hand touch


http://gifsection.com/2013/12/shae-mcclellin-called-roughing-passer-hit-aaron-rodgers-bears-packers/


CLEARLY pulling up in both gifs.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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That's absolutely not true. He did not even attempt to pull up. He was pursuing and then jumped on Rodgers after he was down and after Shea had plenty of time to not jump on him. That was a good call. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.

You must have seen a different play. The announcers agreed it was ticky tacky and not really a penalty

He did not jump on. He was pursuing. By the time Rodgers went down he was like a yard away running at full speed. He did all he could.

You're crazy to suggest Im crazy.

You're better at the internet than me. Find the play/gif and post it and it will be clear that I am right. The fact that Joe Buck and/or Aikman agrees with you makes me feel that much more reassured.

Yeah, Buck and Aikman were wrong and youre right

Here is the link to the gifs.

Both clearly show Shea putting his hands out as if to stop himself. You are wrong, unless you believe McClellin was playing two hand touch


http://gifsection.com/2013/12/shae-mcclellin-called-roughing-passer-hit-aaron-rodgers-bears-packers/


CLEARLY pulling up in both gifs.

Bottom gif shows the best angle. If you don't think he could have avoided Rodgers I don't really know what else to say. It's very clear that he could have.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:34 am 
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Bottom gif shows the best angle. If you don't think he could have avoided Rodgers I don't really know what else to say. It's very clear that he could have.

Both gifs show he was trying to pull up and fell on Rodgers. There was no hit.

Pretty much everyone agrees on this but you. Ticky Tack call at best.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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Clearly he was targeting Rodgers...I mean, everyone knows if you want to take out the opposing QB, you do it by rolling over his hip...


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I thought you couldn't advance a fumble that went forward

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I thought you couldn't advance a fumble that went forward

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http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/fumble

Fumble

The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession.
A fumble may be advanced by any player on either team regardless of whether recovered before or after ball hits the ground.
A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback.
On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.
A muffed hand-to-hand snap from center is treated as a fumble.


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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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Only in the last 2 minutes of half/game/OT.

Cutler and McCown also have benefited from bullshit 'roughing' calls this season too. Doesn't change the fact that they are bullshit calls.

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 Post subject: Re: NFL Referees
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At best it was a ticky tack call, but it was certainly not "textbook"
Its textbook to Green Bay fans because Favre and Rodgers always get the benefit of those calls.

That's not the case there Frank with me, I said it was a cheap call with the folks I was watching the game with. There were a lot of bad calls both ways in the game and that is the case more often than not.

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