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I totally agree with those last 2 sentences.
You seem to still be reasonable. Should be interesting.

When you jump off the Cutler ship, hand Bucky Chris the keys so he can listen to the radio as it sinks.


I've always been reasonable.

I've been trying to pull every body I can find out of the water and back onto this ship. I'm getting tired. I'm glad the shore is finally near.

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I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?


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Tad Queasy wrote:
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I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?
Franchise him. Let him play for a contract. Draft a quarterback with your first pick or if there is really someone you love that may still be there, in the second round. There was no downside to this because they paid him so much.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?
Franchise him. Let him play for a contract. Draft a quarterback with your first pick or if there is really someone you love that may still be there, in the second round. There was no downside to this because they paid him so much.


Not sure how valid it is, but I had heard on several occasions that franchising him would put them in a less desirable financial position than giving him a multi-year deal. I suppose that depends on the specifics of the deal.

Who would you have drafted?


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Tad Queasy wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?

Why would I need an alternative that's certain to be better?

That's a weird way to look at it.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I totally agree with those last 2 sentences.
You seem to still be reasonable. Should be interesting.

When you jump off the Cutler ship, hand Bucky Chris the keys so he can listen to the radio as it sinks.


I've always been reasonable.

I've been trying to pull every body I can find out of the water and back onto this ship. I'm getting tired. I'm glad the shore is finally near.


You think Cutler was better this year than his last year with Martz?

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Tad Queasy wrote:
Not sure how valid it is, but I had heard on several occasions that franchising him would put them in a less desirable financial position than giving him a multi-year deal. I suppose that depends on the specifics of the deal.
Yeah, but now they've locked him in for 3 and probably 4 years. I'd rather have a little less flexibility next year.
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Who would you have drafted?
I will be releasing my pick once I see who is available with the Bears first round pick. I may pass until the second round though if there is a huge run on quarterbacks.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?

Why would I need an alternative that's certain to be better?

That's a weird way to look at it.


Why would you want to get rid of him for someone who's going to be worse?


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Tad Queasy wrote:
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I just dont understand how people could be celebrating this deal then.


I'm not necessarily celebrating it, but what are the alternatives that are certain to produce better results?

Why would I need an alternative that's certain to be better?

That's a weird way to look at it.


Why would you want to get rid of him for someone who's going to be worse?

You said certain. Nothing is certain.

I think the McCown stop gap and draft a QB was a decent plan


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rogers park bryan wrote:
You said certain. Nothing is certain.


I understand that nothing is certain, but while Cutler is not an elite level quarterback he's still pretty damn good and I would want to be as certain as possible before letting him go in favor of a rookie, and I don't know of a FA I would definitively take over him.

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I think the McCown stop gap and draft a QB was a decent plan


There's only a finite amount of time that Marhsall, Jeffrey, Bennett, and Forte will be together and playing at a high level, and I'd like to have something better than "decent" at QB to go with that. Besides, I was under the impression that the Bears will not be able to keep McCown.


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Tad Queasy wrote:

I understand that nothing is certain, but while Cutler is not an elite level quarterback he's still pretty damn good and I would want to be as certain as possible before letting him go in favor of a rookie, and I don't know of a FA I would definitively take over him.

Disagree there. I think he's about the 13th best in the league.


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I think the McCown stop gap and draft a QB was a decent plan


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There's only a finite amount of time that Marhsall, Jeffrey, Bennett, and Forte will be together and playing at a high level, and I'd like to have something better than "decent" at QB to go with that. Besides, I was under the impression that the Bears will not be able to keep McCown.

Im not worried about replacing Forte and the other guys are young enough. Im not the biggest Marshall fan either.


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Tad Queasy wrote:
I understand that nothing is certain, but while Cutler is not an elite level quarterback he's still pretty damn good and I would want to be as certain as possible before letting him go in favor of a rookie, and I don't know of a FA I would definitively take over him.
This is why the franchise tag should have been the only other option. It takes the uncertainty out of it completely. He's ours, and if he's good, he's ours again for one more year with another tag or a new deal then. It wouldn't even be that much more money since this deal was so rich for Cutler that it currently puts him in the elite category of quarterback contracts. What will happen? They have to pay him equal to Romo? They basically are already.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:

I understand that nothing is certain, but while Cutler is not an elite level quarterback he's still pretty damn good and I would want to be as certain as possible before letting him go in favor of a rookie, and I don't know of a FA I would definitively take over him.

Disagree there. I think he's about the 13th best in the league.


I think he's probably somewhere between 10 and 15 out of 32 which I still think is pretty damn good...although I know you can say that 15 out of 32 is close to "average."

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I'm not the biggest Marshall fan either.


What don't you like about Marshall?


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I'm not the biggest Marshall fan either.


What don't you like about Marshall?

Cutler overly depends on him. And other QB's do too. There was some real good stuff on the double edged sword that is Brandon Marshall in a thread a while back. Ill see if I can find it.

To be clear, I like him, I just dont love him as much as most.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I understand that nothing is certain, but while Cutler is not an elite level quarterback he's still pretty damn good and I would want to be as certain as possible before letting him go in favor of a rookie, and I don't know of a FA I would definitively take over him.
This is why the franchise tag should have been the only other option. It takes the uncertainty out of it completely. He's ours, and if he's good, he's ours again for one more year with another tag or a new deal then. It wouldn't even be that much more money since this deal was so rich for Cutler that it currently puts him in the elite category of quarterback contracts. What will happen? They have to pay him equal to Romo? They basically are already.


Now that the details of the contract have come out, if tagging him would have made more sense financially I would have preferred they had done that.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I'm not the biggest Marshall fan either.


What don't you like about Marshall?

Cutler overly depends on him. And other QB's do too. There was some real good stuff on the double edged sword that is Brandon Marshall in a thread a while back. Ill see if I can find it.


I think Cutler does that, too, but I remember Bernstein citing some numbers that he insisted disproved it. I don't really trust Bernstein to present a fair and accurate portrayal of anything, though.


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The $$$ he gets in the first 3 years has me feeling a tad queasy.

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There's always an excuse for Jay. Losing is never his fault. His receivers and line sucked. They got him better ones. Then it was the defense's fault. That Green Bay game was there to be won. Going into the fourth quarter, whichever team had Rogers was going to win it. I guess I would ask, who is the great quarterback who didn't overcome obstacles? Or do we not think Cutler's great but it's just a matter of "who else are we gonna get?" Because that's kind of what it feels like.


Could we stop with the absolutes. There's not always an excuse for Jay -- last year's game at GB, the Thursday night debacle at SF a few years ago and others. Just like there are Cutler apologists out there, there's also a fair share of Cutler haters.
Jay played very well last Sunday, and the defense didn't execute in some crucial periods of the game (second-quarter fumble, game-winning drive). The Packers scored the game-winning touchdown on a blown coverage, not a precise pass in a tight window.
As for past seasons, there's something to be said about putting competent players around Cutler. JORR, Cutler has better players around him this season -- and I think we've seen him produce. That being said, he needs to be play better -- and there's no guarantee that will happen.

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Nobody talks about 2013:

Cutler games started:5-6
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Nobody talks about 2013:

Cutler games started:5-6
McCown:3-2


I don't know what your point is, but I think any reasonable person could foresee those being even closer over the same sample size.


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Nobody talks about 2013:

Cutler games started:5-6
McCown:3-2


I don't know what your point is, but I think any reasonable person could foresee those being even closer over the same sample size.


My point is even though he had a decent season,his backup out performed him and it wasn't even close. I honestly believe McCown would have beat GB in G#16.

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Mccown is the only bears qb in HISTORY to throw for 300plus in 3 str8 games jimmy. i agree jimmy, Cutler is a dime a dozen...nothing special . awful signing.

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Robbie Gould is the only kicker in Bears HISTORY to kick a 58 yard fg.

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? Gould is the best kicker in bears history .... if goulds backup kicked 59 yard fgs in 3 str8 games n made 15% of goulds salary id say cut gould too...wats your point exactly ?

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U sons of bitches mocking me??

All I know is what everyone else has seen this season. Cutler was upstaged & out performed...PERIOD EXCLAMATION POINT

I had no issue with resigning Cutler as long as they get some help on "D".

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I will be releasing my pick once I see who is available with the Bears first round pick.


Will that be available on your 800 number along with your NBA picks for that week?


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No need to improve. I guess they hope he continues to be mediocre and the defense improves.


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I think you give Jay two more years from now before you decide to keep him, or cut him. Now that he'll be in the same system for sometime, there should be improvement from year one to year two, and so on. If that doesn't happen by year three, then it's finally time to say goodbye - for real, this time.

The problem I see with this is if Cutler fails, it won't look good for Emery and Trestman since both invested a lot in Cutler and sold him as the franchise QB.

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I think you give Jay two more years from now before you decide to keep him, or cut him. Now that he'll be in the same system for sometime, there should be improvement from year one to year two, and so on. If that doesn't happen by year three, then it's finally time to say goodbye - for real, this time.

The problem I see with this is if Cutler fails, it won't look good for Emery and Trestman since both invested a lot in Cutler and sold him as the franchise QB.

And they will will have wasted the entirety of the Marshall/Jeffery combo.

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My point is even though he had a decent season,his backup out performed him and it wasn't even close. I honestly believe McCown would have beat GB in G#16.

What? Are you saying that McCown wouldn't have fucked up the coverage play on GB's 4th and 8 cause up til then Cutler had them beat just fine.

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