Think the Packers will trade Rodgers for Cutler straight up because of it?

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He's counting Hypothetical Jay Cutler games.

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Maybe Elmhurst Steve added those up. Roeper also probably thinks the Twins played 183 games in 2011

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Nah, sorry Frank youre going down with the Roeper ship, just like I am. We both posted that the Bears have played 134 games in 5 years.

I agree with you, but it doesn't matter. This is the market for QB's - he may have gotten more had become an unrestricted agent, and it probably would have been in this general area for starters.

The Bears have been pretty good with the salary cap thankfully. Should be interesting with all the FAs and Cutler and Peppers on the book next year.

The Rodgers comparison is useless though since he signed his new contract with 2 years left on his old one and not as an upcoming FA.

A little too much outrage in this thread, IMO. Football contracts are essentially impossible to understand (hell, NFL GM's have entire sections of their staffs devoted to them because they don't understand them either).

But in regards to the basic #'s being thrown around - he's in a group of the top 12 QB's in the league. That's actually seems about right. A couple of the QB's that are clearly better than him and get paid well, but are soon going to be out of the league due to their age (Manning for sure). In addition, there are at least 10 franchises that have nobody that they can even remotely call their permanent starting QB, much less big $ guys. 10 may be conservative.
A few others have really young QB's who will get contracts in the next couple of years that will surpass the ones Cutler and Stafford recently got (Luck, Wilson, etc).

This contract pretty much seems to fall in line with the expectations, IMO. If he's essentially got one additional year of $ over what it would have cost to franchise him for the next two years - and it seems even most Cutler-detractors supported the franchise tag route - then I don't get the fuss really. It's one more year, similar $.

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I very seriously fucking doubt it. First of all, he has never been a very good QB. Even someone like Romo, while not very good, has had very good seasons. He's not coming off a superbowl win like Flacco or Rodgers or Brees. Add in that he's 30, and he's been very injury prone over the last several years.

I agree, it's now Phil Emery's barrell. He overpaid for no reason. At worst he'd have been forced to do this contract; but I doubt it. Bid against himself.

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Maybe a year of healing will make Peppers stronger OR they see him coming in on 3rd & long only,which I would be fine with....for a restructered contract.

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And it's going to help with cap space over the tag as well.

You could have franchised him for a single year and see if he can, oh I don't know, start 16 games. Throw for 300 yards multiple times. Win a fucking playoff game, or any big game in fucking general.

But nope. Now the next 3 years depends entirely on Jay. Instead of locking yourself into one potential year wasted with Jay, you've got 3 minimum. That's just not smart.

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Also,watch "Happy,team player,concerned" Jay (on the sidelines for 2013) turn back into "Ahh,screw it,leave me alone" Jay in 2014.

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For maaaaybe next year only. But given the contract his cap figure will be massive nonetheless.

Right. Now they don't have to worry about next year or the year after. They got him for the 3 years, minimum, at the same rate $.

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Yea, then you're giving the same contract to him and he's a year older. Maybe even a bigger contract.


You wouldn't do that if you believe in him. They are done evaluating him, they want him. Makes no sense to wait.

?? So? They didn't get him on any kind of value deal. They could overpay him or any other player in the league just as easily in any year.

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Is there a list of other QB's you'd like to overpay that are available right now?

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He's in a group with future hall of famers, Matt Ryan, and Tony Romo. He's paid more than Stafford, Flacco, Roethlisberger, and Eli by pretty substantial margins.
It would be much easier to get rid of Cutler after next year if he doesn't prove to be worth the money, and then they could give themselves the best chance to draft a future elite quarterback. Now, they literally can't even draft a quarterback in the early rounds because you can't pay Cutler this much money to sit on the bench.

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Vick and McCown are literally the best two options available in free agency. And again, if you overpay Jay next year, it's going to be an even bigger contract and he's a year older.

.....aaaand thread.

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Future Hall of Famers Ryan and Romo???



This thread has been great reading today. I do not agree with everyone, but it is great to read everyones thoughts and see the fire and passion in people regarding the Bears.

Threads like this are what keep me coming back to this place every day.

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I'm probably reiterating points from the thread, but these are my thoughts...

- There is no WAR in the NFL, but if there were, we would all see how overpaid many of these QB's are. To me, Jay Cutler just became another one of them. There has been nothing in his career to show me he is worthy of such a contract, regardless of how it is structured. His stats aren't great, but I'm not even basing it on stats. I've watched the guy every week for the past few years. He is not a rhythm passer. He makes big plays that look great, and he makes plays that look awful. You can usually count on at least one of each every week.

- The more I watch football, the less I care about arm strength. Strong-armed QB's in today's NFL include Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Jay Cutler, Colin Kaepernick, and Cam Newton. The "weak to medium-armed QB"'s include Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Alex Smith, Russell Wilson (on the fence), and Matt Ryan. I'll take the second group. The only strong-armed QB who is also a precision passer is Aaron Rodgers, and he's gay.

- It's not that I am against having Cutler as a QB. I'm against having him at that price. Two of the most successful teams in the NFC (Seattle and San Fran) have a very small amount alotted to very productive quarterbacks. You could even throw Carolina in there. That's why their defenses are so good.

- Trestman (Tresty) is supposed to be an offensive guru. He runs a precision passing attack. Josh McCown's performance this year didn't tell us that McCown is the answer moving forward; he told us that the Bears have the luxury of an offense with great existing weapons that make a rhythm passer MUCH better, allowing for less money at the QB position and more money fine-tuning the defense or offensive line.

- Given the money he has received, the expectation for Jay Cutler is to throw for at least 35 TD's and no more than 15 INT's next year (and subsequent years). If he doesn't, this signing was a failure.

- I would be shocked if Cutler could have made this much money on the open market. If he could have, there are dumber GM's than we think out there. Cutler wouldn't have made the Pro Bowl this year even if he was healthy for the entire year. Overpaying for quarterbacks seems to be the norm.


With all that said, I hope he lives up to the contract and the Bears win a Super Bowl. I doubt it, but I hope to hell I'm wrong. I find it hard to believe that a 30-year-old QB with so much experience in different systems hits his career peak at 32, but I will be rooting for it for the next few years.

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No, the list is future hall of famers and also Matt Ryan, and Tony Romo. I don't mean they are though Ryan could be one day.

It just shows how much the Bears are paying for what they are getting.

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Not really. They can still offer them whatever they want. How much more could they pay? I mean, he's only $4 million behind Peyton and $3 million behind Brady. It can't get much more expensive for him unless Emery is the dumbest man in football.

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You mean salaries in professional sports are insane? I never knew, tell me more.

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He's being paid about 5% less than the two greatest quarterbacks of all time.

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Way to paint with a broad, dumb brush.

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At $18M, he may be the better value between him and Boozer.

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Bulls & Boozer have won playoff games.

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