That's putting it mildly.

That money has already been spent on Cutler. Besides him you know Jennings and Gould got a nice raise. Not sure about Slauson. It appears you are trying to find a way to justify his cap hit for the next couple of years. There is no way to justify it. No player in Bears history has made as much money in 1 year and the Bears paid Peppers $20M his first year as a free agent.

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Justify it? I guess.

But I'm comfortable spending the most money on the most important person on the team rather than spending slightly more on a defensive end as the team has done for half a decade.

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The Bears controlled Cutler's rights for 3 years if they used the tag. IF they needed to tag him for 2 years before giving him a long term deal it would have only cost them $34M. Instead they just gave him $38M for those 2 years.

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Regardless of how you were going to spend the money THIS deal is foolish. There was no NEED to do what they did. They bid against their own interest and got NOTHING in return.

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The Bears think he's their guy. Not for 2 or 3 but for at least 5 years.

It's essentially a 5/85 contract. Anything after that is the Bears rewarding Cutler for a job well done.

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maybe Jay gave them a pinky promise that he will do better in the next 5 years

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I understand that line of thinking but dont agree with it

I'd be more inclined if the QB in question didn't have a recent history of injuries

I'm not mocking. That is my stance

I've flipo flopped on this Cutler thing but the one thing I always maintained is he can't eat too much of the cap

If that were true they would have spread the cap hit out by giving him a signing bonus. They didn't. It's like Emery believes he saved $6M from having to use the tag 3 years in a row.

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Culter will be the highest paid player in the NFL next season.


http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/201 ... /limit-25/

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Exactly. Cutler & Bus Cook absolutely pantsed the Bears. Jays open market value isn't close to Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Big Ben. No way would another team have given Jay a $125 Million contract with $54 Million guaranteed in the first 3 years. It's just way too much money for mediocrity. Mediocrity is a dime a dozen.

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This is an absolute disaster. He's being paid along the same lines as future hall of fame quarterbacks. Save your "market rate" and "Peter Tom Willis wasn't good so we need to pay the 12th best quarterback in the league like he's Peyton Manning". Cutler needs to have career years in every year of this for it to even be a good contract. He probably needs to be Aaron Rodgers at least for a season or two for it to be a great contract. All the while, they have to opt out of two straight quarterback classes which seem pretty good and instead play the lottery that a 4th round quarterback ends up being even halfway decent.

We now have the highest paid and worst franchise quarterback in the league.

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Did you click on that link though?

THat list doesnt represent the best players, only who signed last. Sam Bradford is making more than Peyton Manning.


It's not a disaster. At worst they overpaid a little.




1
Jay Cutler at
Quarterback
$22,500,000
2
Ndamukong Suh at
Defensive Tackle
$22,412,500
3
Tony Romo at
Quarterback
$21,773,000
4
Eli Manning at
Quarterback
$20,400,000
5
Ben Roethlisberger at
Quarterback
$18,895,000
6
Mario Williams at
Defensive End
$18,800,000
7
Drew Brees at
Quarterback
$18,400,000
8
Julius Peppers at
Defensive End
$18,183,000
9
Larry Fitzgerald at
Wide Receiver
$18,000,000
10
Aaron Rodgers at
Quarterback
$17,900,000
11
Sam Bradford at
Quarterback
$17,610,000
12
Peyton Manning at
Quarterback
$17,500,000

Matt Ryan at
Quarterback
$17,500,000
14
Mike Wallace at
Wide Receiver
$17,250,000
15
Philip Rivers at
Quarterback
$16,666,667
16
Charles Johnson at
Defensive End
$16,420,000
17
DeMarcus Ware at
Defensive End
$16,003,750
18
Haloti Ngata at
Defensive Tackle
$16,000,000

Darrelle Revis at
Cornerback
$16,000,000
20
Matthew Stafford at
Quarterback
$15,820,000
21
Antonio Cromartie at
Cornerback
$14,980,000
22
Tom Brady at
Quarterback
$14,800,000

Joe Flacco at
Quarterback
$14,800,000
24
Chris Long at
Defensive End
$14,700,000
25
Matt Schaub at
Quarterback
$14,500,000

You're being a drama queen. The per year money isn't that important. It's accounting.

We still don't even know the absolute final numbers. I've seen a few even speculate the 54 may even have special injury language. There is still some stuff to learn about the contract.

The Bears committed a large sum of money to an injury prone QB who regularly makes terrible decisions and rarely beats teams over .500. It's ok to tweak a bit.

He's the most important person on the team except when they lose.

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The money IS important. If I told you the Bears would make Cutler the highest paid player in 2014 before the start of this season you would have asked me if the Bears won the SB. If I told you they didn't even make the playoffs and Cutler didn't have a great year you would have laughed and told me it wasn't going to happen. He's going to make $38M the next 2 seasons.

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This is going to end up being the longest thread on the board.

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There was just no need to do it. You had him under control with the franchise tag available. Why would you put yourself in a corner and limit your options for the next several years for a guy that didn't play better than his backup?

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Agreed

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No, I'd ask what his guaranteed money was over the the length of the contract. Eli Manning is making 20 million. Teams shift the numbers every year to fit the cap how they please. If they didn't want Cutler to make $38M the next two years, they wouldn't have put the money in the first two years. They can do whatever they want, and they chose to do it this way. They must know the money will still be there to spend on the defense (Peppers cut?).

Per PFT, he would have made $60 million on 3 years of the franchise tag.


I don't understand the "limit your options." They want him as the QB. That's not limiting your options. And it's a 3 year deal, so they can still draft someone. And if they draft the guy they like, they can trade Cutler.

Every cent of which would have been guaranteed.

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And then after that, if he's still playing well, you'd have to give him a long term deal. (That's also ignoring the fact that QBs hardly play on the tag)


In this situation, it's a 3 year deal, and essentially a game by game contract after that. They can cut him at any point after the 3 years with no dead money.


The Bears got who they wanted for 3 years, and control him for another 4 on a game by game basis if they want to. It's a great deal for the Bears.

BTW, with the 3 year deal, it also aligns Cutler with Trestman's contract. Might be coincidence, might not.

Great inventory of throws.

Saying the deal is market rate isn't necessarily a pro Cutler position. It simply is the rate by which you secure many second class QBs like Cutler, Flacco, E Manning, and so on. I was personally open to letting him walk, signing a vet for a year, and drafting a QB. I can only assume the Bears' structured the deal in a way that allows them to address the holes on defense. The Bears dont strike me as a Jerry Jones or Dan Synder operation.

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I would feel so much better if I thought you all were just fucking with me. Yes the Bears would have had to pay Cutler $60M over 3 years IF they need to use the tag for 3 straight years. What's likely is if Cutler was performing at a high level and staying healthy the Bears could have worked out an extension after Year 1 or Year 2. The cost of using the tag for those 2 years would have ONLY been $34M ($4M less than they will pay now). That is beyond insane.

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No, but don't underestimate anyone's ability to believe in his own genius. Maybe Emery thinks he is so good he can just piece together a competent defense on the cheap.

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