Tip of the hat to Baseball Think Factory, they did this last year to great results as well.

Currently, 107 of the roughly 570-590 ballots have been made public by the individual voters and BTF has compiled them. The results last year were within 10% of the final number for each individual... here's what they have so far based on percentage of ballots on which the name appears:

100 - Maddux
97.2 - Glavine
90.7 - Thomas
80.4 - Biggio
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72.9 - Piazza
66.4 - Bagwell
60.7 - Morris
56.1 - Raines
45.8 - Bonds
44.9 - Clemens
39.3 - Schilling
34.9 - Mussina
22.4 - Trammell
20.6 - E. Martinez
18.7 - L. Smith
15.0 - McGriff
14.0 - Kent
11.2 - L. Walker
10.3 - McGwire
8.4 - S. Sosa
7.5 - R. Palmeiro
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4.7 - Mattingly
0.9 - P. Rose (Write-In)

Glad to see the top three guys getting in on the first vote... would even be really cool if Maddux got in unanimously, although that seems unlikely... I'm sure somewhere some writer will have a beef with him and leave him off the list. Also very cool that Maddux and Glavine get in with the same class, and nice to see the public believes fairly clearly that Thomas was drug-free during his days.

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There's no excuse not to vote for Maddux. He should be elected with 100%.

I would like to hear the reasoning from the guys who did NOT put Glavine or Big Hurt on their ballots.

Glad to see Maddux with 100% so far.

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Frank is definitely a HOF'er. The weak argument against him is his status as a DH. And of course is poor relations with the media.

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No one has ever gotten 100%. Maddux might be the first. He had least has a good shot at topping Seaver for highest percentage.

With Frank, the knock for some guys is going to be that he wasn't "a complete player". Well, neither was Ted Williams.

Glavine, obviously he's going to make it in and make it in on the first ballot. He may be the last of the 300 game winners. Or at least the last for a long time. Circumstances are elevating him though. All the steroid stuff and the limitations on innings for starters. He's not a traditional first ballot no brainer. He's a compiler type guy more in line with Don Sutton.

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Fuck those guys. How bout the guy who didnt vote for Babe Ruth?

or Willie Mays or Cy Young

I find the disparity between Biggio and Bagwell interesting.

I find the disparity between Piazza and Bonds shocking. If we're keeping roiders out, Piazza should never get close. So obviously, for some guys it's not really about the juice. It has to be something else.

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Bagwell always struck me as a very good player but not hall of fame worthy. It may be the steroid thing creeping in. Biggio broke 3,000 hits and almost hit 300 HR's at 2B. Bags nearly hit .300 and about 450 HR's, but he played 1B. I think the standards for those positions are different in terms of historical comparisons.

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If we're going on numbers alone, Bagwell ain't much different than Thomas. People just don't believe it was "real".

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It's probably the bigger tool factor. There is no way to like Bonds. But Piazza is popular among the LGBT crowd. That's amore, gay Piazza.....one of my favorite MJH songs. "When you pitch and you catch, that's amore, gay Piazza."

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Quite a few more homers for Thomas, but they are close. It was the eye test for me.

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I always thought of Biggio as more of a compiler ( probably wrong thinking I know) . You don't get to 3k hits by accident. I just never thought of him as one of the best in the game when he played.

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Also, I believe that Bagwell is being penalized for his muscular build. I would bet anything Biggio roided up with the best of em. But he didnt grow to superhuman size, so people forgive him

I agree. And if Biggio is a Hall of Famer, Jeff Kent sure is. I wouldn't put either guy in.

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JORR, I also lean toward keeping guys out for the sole reason for it should be for the best of the best. The more borderline guys you let in, the less of an honor it is to be a member of the HOF.

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Larry Walker is a forgotten guy, way down on that list. He definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame on his numbers. Talk about a complete player. He was an elite outfielder. And his numbers are only slightly less than Mickey Mantle's and Mantle might be the greatest player ever. Colorado and suspicion are keeping Larry down.

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I'm with you. And I'm not punishing Bonds and Clemens. I believe they were great players. They belong in Cooperstown. But I can't put Sosa, Palmiero, and these other douchebags in.

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Coors Field is a big deal. Just look at the splits for guys like Walker, Helton, Bichete, Burks and Castilla.

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What if Clemens was taking Roids all along?

I don't consider Palmiero a Cub.

What if Bonds was? I'm just telling you how I see the players. I think Clemens and Bonds were great. Palmiero was never better than Will Clark at any level ever. But he's the Hall of Famer? No way.

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Walker played a lot of games in a lot of other places. Even if you consider him a guy like Chuck Klein (Baker Bowl), he's still a Hall of Famer.

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i'm surprised to see biggio, bagwell, piazza so high on this list. Biggio looked like all the other steriod freaks size-wise at the end of his career.

I dont know how you separate it

Was Sosa not good in 2001 with the .328 64 160 line?


Anyway, I think Clemens was probably always cheating. Nolan Ryan, too.

I am not knocking Frank Thomas, but when, exactly did Ted Williams fill the DH role?
He was the greatest all around hitter in the history of the game and played every inning in the field.

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Wasn't Walker the guy who routinely took days off when the Rockies faced Randy Johnson?
I think I recall him saying that his team had a smaller chance of success with him in the lineup because he hit so poorly against Johnson. Well, who could have replaced him that could hit Johnson any better? If this happened the way I remember it, I could never put a guy like that in the Hall.

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Walker is a hall of famer in my book


Guy did everything

Is there a point in going up there and striking out four three times? Lefties just didn't hit Johnson. Kruk was the guy who made a mockery of the All-Star game by leaping out of the box like a pussy. I think Walker just couldn't see the ball and figured they would do better with a right-handed batter in the line-up on the rare occasions when his teams faced Johnson. I'm guessing there may be a few lefties that Ted Williams didn't hit.

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There was no DH role or he would have been filling it. As it was, he had to do his Alfonso Soriano impression in left. If there had been no DH in Frank's time he would have played every inning of every game in the field too. Playing the field is actually a negative for Williams. Not playing it is a positive for Thomas.

Did you know that one spring training later in his career Williams showed up in Florida without a glove?

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That's because he was Ted Fucking Williams. He was going to catch all of those flyballs with his bare hands.

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