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imagine the "baseball is dying" narratives if 75% of LDS games didn't sell out
I doubt it. Baseball is played all the time in front of non-sell out crowds. The reason it is a big deal in football is because of how most stadiums are full most of the time.


That's great, Rick, except they aren't.
25 of 32 teams have attendance of 90% or higher. The worst attendance in the league is 80%. What I said is a fact.

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PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE JAGUARS CURTAIN
The Jaguars stadium has a higher percentage filled than the Yankees and the Cubs and all but 4 MLB teams.

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PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE JAGUARS CURTAIN
The Jaguars stadium has a higher percentage filled than the Yankees and the Cubs and all but 4 MLB teams.

Maybe Im thinking of the Bengals

Werent they giving away tickets to homeless people a few years back?


But were not talking tickets sold, were talking people at the game


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NFL attendance issues not just for also-rans
Associated Press By WILL GRAVES
November 13, 2013 7:46 PM
FILE - In this Nov. 10, 2013, file photo, Buffalo Bills quarterback EJ Manuel, left, is flushed out of the pocket by Pittsburgh Steelers free safety Ryan Clark (25) and Jarvis Jones (95) during an NFL football game in Pittsburgh. As TV ratings stay strong, the number of people showing up for games, even in the places that are traditionally hot tickets, is dwindling. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar, File).
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PITTSBURGH (AP) — Mike Tomlin isn't much on public gratitude. Still, the perpetually focused Pittsburgh Steelers coach went out of his way to thank the fans who showed up at Heinz Field to watch his team drum the Buffalo Bills 23-10 on Sunday for its third win of the season.

"It's not something we take for granted," Tomlin said.

Good idea.

A crowd of 60,406 turned out to watch two teams with a combined 5-12 record play on a cold, blustery day more suited for late-December than three weeks before Thanksgiving. The 5,000 or so who bought their tickets but chose to not make it through the turnstiles were conspicuous, their absence marked by pockets of open gold seats in certain portions of the stadium tucked tight against the Allegheny River.

Welcome to life in the new NFL, where "sellouts" are the norm but full houses are becoming the exception, and not just in places like woeful Jacksonville.

Blame it on mediocre teams. Blame it on rising ticket prices. Blame in on the comfort of your couch, where it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars to sit, and the cold beer in your fridge, the one that doesn't cost $8 a bottle.

The Steelers (3-6), who have six Vince Lombardi Trophies in the lobby at team headquarters, are in danger of posting their lowest average attendance since 2003, when they limped to a 6-10 record and missed the playoffs.

The franchise is on a similar trajectory this fall in a place that can be tough — by NFL standards — to completely fill even when times are good. Pittsburgh is averaging 61,465 through four home dates, the lowest over the same span since Heinz Field opened in 2001.

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It's a trend hitting the league regardless of market size or on-field success. In 2008, only five teams played to stadiums less than 95 percent full. That number has doubled this season at a time when TV ratings are at their best since 2006.

The Washington Redskins have one of the NFL's rising stars in quarterback Robert Griffin III and are playing to just 88.9 percent capacity this season. The surprising New York Jets have the nation's largest metropolitan area to pull from and only 93.3 of those with tickets are showing up.

Then again, New York can be a tough market.

Steelers wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery was on the 2007 Jets that limped to a 4-12 record. As the season wore on and the losses mounted, things got weird.

"Pittsburgh came to town but it felt like an away game," Cotchery said. "It was so loud in there. I remember us doing silent count and all of that stuff at home. But we were a bad team. I probably wouldn't want to take my kid out in the cold and watch a bad team play football."

It can lead, in some instances, to the unnerving realization that players can't simply rely on the juice — or the vitriol — from the crowd to get amped up.

"When we play on the road, certain places are just known for being quiet," Cincinnati left tackle Andrew Whitworth said. "It's almost like in the huddle, you have to keep reminding yourself to keep your energy up and realize that some of these places are really quiet and you have to create your own energy a little bit."

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FILE - In this Nov. 10, 2013 file photo, Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end Jeremy Mincey (94) fires …
The NFL amended its TV blackout rule last year, allowing teams to sell only 85 percent of its prime tickets to meet the threshold necessary to have home games broadcast locally. While the decision has done nothing but goose TV ratings even further, getting folks into the stadium on a regular basis in some cities remains a tough task.

Oakland and Jacksonville swath their stadiums in massive drapes that cover entire sections. It reduces capacity but hasn't exactly increased demand. While the atmosphere has improved with the Raiders, only 81.4 percent of ticket holders make it to their seats. More than 10 percent of those with tickets in Jacksonville don't bother to get an eyeful of one of the league's worst teams.

Arizona quarterback Carson Palmer is prepping the Cardinals for an "interesting atmosphere" when they visit the Jaguars (1-8) on Sunday, where tickets are going for as low as $8 on StubHub. To be honest, he's going to miss the opportunity to quiet a hostile environment, mostly because there likely won't be one.

"You can't worry about any of those outside distractions," Palmer said. "You've just got to focus on doing your job each and every play, and do what it takes to win the game, regardless of how many people are watching or who is in the stands."

Commissioner Roger Goodell continues to stress the in-game fan experience remains important to the league. It also remains important to the bottom lines of owners, if only to fatten their wallets.

When Personal Seat Licensing came into vogue, it created a new revenue stream by making fans plunk down thousands just for the right to buy tickets. It priced some longtime season ticket holders out of the market and as the U.S. economy sputtered, so did interest in making a significant financial commitment to get in the door when the living room can be just as inviting and significantly cheaper.

And owners continue to press for new stadiums even as evidence mounts that less might be more. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has turned AT&T Stadium into a virtual ATM since it opened in 2009. Dallas averages more than 86,000 fans a game, well over 100 percent capacity, even as the team continues to hover around .500.

The Falcons have barely been in the Georgia Dome two decades and already they've struck a deal on a new $1 billion building that will be ready by 2017.

The Steelers aren't greedy enough to ask for new digs, but they are planning to add an additional 3,000 seats at Heinz Field, even though they've never averaged more than 63,458 per game since its debut in 2001. All that's left is deciding who picks up most of the tab. The issue remains in the Pittsburgh courts, though whenever the expansion is complete, the same factors that fans face every Sunday will remain in place.

"It's just how it works," Cotchery said. "When you're losing like (we did in New York), those decisions have to be made. Do I go to the game or do I not go to the game? I know it's tough. "


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As I said, most stadiums are full most of the time. Even Jacksonville is 90% full.

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As I said, most stadiums are full most of the time. Even Jacksonville is 90% full.

Are you not counting the draped off sections?


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I find it funny that one of the most ardent White Sox fans on the board is talking about attendance in other sports.

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Packers have sold out their game.

Best Fans in Football.

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Would the Vikings use purple drapes?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I find it funny that one of the most ardent White Sox fans on the board is talking about attendance in other sports.


I'm not pretending the Sox are more popular than they really are though. I have no illusions.

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Packers have sold out their game.

Best Fans in Football.

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Big screen HD TV's, surround sound, & the cost of attending a game are threatening to many sports. I have absolutely no interest in going to a Bears game. None. I turn down free tickets frequently. I'll watch it in the comfort of my family room or basement on the 55" Samsung & eat & drink my own food & beer.
The only sport that I am interested in attending is Hockey.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Packers have sold out their game.

Best Fans in Football.

8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-sqg7cl7mg


This one's better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTTtAUEOHwU

Now that's how I enjoy America's Most Popular Sport. By sleeping through it. A real fan!

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The "Ice Bowl," one of the most iconic games in NFL history, had a wind chill of minus-48 degrees. It's almost inhuman to play football in that weather.

And Sunday's game at Green Bay might be even colder than that.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, the bad forecast for Green Bay's game against the 49ers got worse. According to AccuWeather, the high will be minus-five degrees, the low will be minus-20 and the wind chill will be ... MINUS-51 DEGREES.

No wonder Green Bay was having trouble selling out this game.

The "Ice Bowl" is the coldest game in NFL history, at minus-13 degrees. The coldest game in NFL history in terms of wind chill was the Chargers-Bengals AFC title game in January of 1982, at 59 degrees below zero. This game has a chance to threaten both of those records.

That's cold.


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I am hoping for a blizzard in NY during the Super Bowl.

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Thanks for all of the invites, but I will be watching the game from home.

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Meijers bought the remaining Packers tickets. :lol:

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Meijers bought the remaining Packers tickets. :lol:

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In addition to fan sales, a group of Packers corporate partners, led by Green Bay-based Associated Bank, purchased the remaining available tickets Friday to ensure a sellout and TV broadcast of the game throughout Wisconsin. Other corporate partners with a strong Wisconsin presence that purchased tickets are FOX TV affiliates WITI (Milwaukee), WLUK (Green Bay) and WFXS (Wausau); Mills Fleet Farm and Bellin Health.

You lack simple reading skills. :lol:


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Meijers bought the remaining Packers tickets. :lol:
I believe that was the Colts.

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I remember years ago, during either the late Wanny years, or the early Jauron years, where TCF Bank bought the remaining tickets to ensure a sellout for a Bears game.

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I find it funny that one of the most ardent White Sox fans on the board is talking about attendance in other sports.

Im working on blaming Cutler for this Frank, stay tuned.

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Im working on blaming Cutler for this Frank, stay tuned.
Well if Cutler had played better then a blackout of the the Packers wouldn't be an issue. :wink:

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Meijers bought the remaining Packers tickets. :lol:


How does it feel that a grocery chain is a bigger fan of your favorite sport than you are?

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On ESPN Radio last night,the Chicago guy from PTI was on. He said Chicago did it right building a 63,000 seat stadium while GB has a 80,000 seat stadium in a town of 105,000.

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Green Bay hadn't had any trouble filling their stadium until they backed into the playoffs for a game with subzero weather. Come on, this isn't an issue, and don't fucking tell me Chicago got anything about Soldier Field right.

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Green Bay hadn't had any trouble filling their stadium until they backed into the playoffs for a game with subzero weather. Come on, this isn't an issue, and don't fucking tell me Chicago got anything about Soldier Field right.
They didn't build it in Green Bay. That's one thing they got right.

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