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So far the mocks I have seen have the Bears taking the Safety or MLB from Alabama or some CB from Oregon.

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So far the mocks I have seen have the Bears taking the Safety or MLB from Alabama or some CB from Oregon.


Which mean Emery will select some projected second rounder with possible upside instead.


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So far the mocks I have seen have the Bears taking the Safety or MLB from Alabama or some CB from Oregon.


Which mean Emery will select some projected second rounder with possible upside instead.


I'm telling you. This guy is scaring me -

Ra'Shede Hageman

By Bucky Brooks
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The top general managers and coaches in the NFL understand that the league is not only about player acquisition, but it's about player development, particularly for players in the trenches.

With the NCAA's restrictive 20-hour rule limiting the on-field development of players, NFL executives expect even top prospects to enter the league with raw, unrefined games. As a result, scouts are willing to put big grades on players with impressive physical attributes but inconsistencies in significant parts of their games.

That's why I'm fascinated by the evaluation of Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman. The 6-foot-6, 311-pound senior is one of the most explosive athletes in college football, yet he hasn't put it together on the field. He flashes disruptive potential as an interior defender, amassing 18.5 tackles for loss, eight sacks and 11 pass breakups over the past two seasons. Sure, those numbers represent solid production for an interior defender, but it's not the kind of output that screams first-round prospect in my opinion.

With a few days to dig into the tape before Hageman wraps up his career in the Texas Bowl, I analyzed his game to see if he has the potential to be a franchise-caliber defender at the next level. Here are my thoughts:

Athleticism
Hagemen is unquestionably one of the most explosive athletes in college football.
According to a report from noted college writer Bruce Feldman, the Golden Gopher standout has posted some impressive measurements in the weight room. Hageman has recorded a 36-inch vertical jump and clocked an astonishing 1.57-second 10-yard split in the 40-yard dash. Factor in his reported 465-pound bench press, and Hageman will be expected to rank among the top performers at the NFL Scouting Combine in a few months.

For context, J.J. Watt recorded a 37-inch vertical and blazed a 4.84-second 40-yard dash (1.64 split at the 10-yard mark) at the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine. Those numbers made him one of the top performers at the event; it set the stage for him to emerge as the 2012 Defensive Player of the Year. Thus, there will be several coaches and scouts that will see Hageman as a potential impact player who simply needs the right kind of instruction to bring his talents to the surface on the field. While there is certainly plenty of risk with this line of thinking, it will not stop a handful of NFL teams from viewing Hageman as someone who could blossom into a superstar as a pro based solely on his athleticism and movement skills.

Run defense
Defensive coordinators place a significant emphasis on stopping the run, particularly when evaluating defensive tackles. Hageman shows tremendous promise as a run stopper in the middle of the defense. As a one- (aligned over the center) and three-technique (positioned over the guard) in the Gophers' scheme, Hageman displays enough strength and power to hold the point against single and double teams. Although he plays too high at times, he is rarely knocked off his spot and effectively clogs up holes with his presence. From a technical standpoint, he will need to work on his leverage, pad level and hand quickness to succeed against interior blockers at the next level. Hageman doesn't take full advantage of his superior arm length, but if he learns to keep blockers at bay, he could make a greater impact at the point of attack on shed and disengage plays.


Against runs to the outside, Hageman flashes speed, quickness and burst in pursuit. He has the potential to run down ball carriers from the backside with his long, loping strides. Although he doesn't consistently give the extra effort to make those plays, Hageman stands out when he revs it up and displays fanatical effort on run downs. Looking at his standout performance against Nebraska, it was his initial quickness and burst against the run that impressed me the most. If he can find a way to bring those talents to the surface consistently, Hageman could be an upper-echelon playmaker at the next level.

Pass-rush ability
The gradual shift of the NFL into a league governed by the pass makes it imperative for elite defensive tackles to display strong rush skills. Hageman is a credible rusher with the size, strength and quickness to create a consistent push up the middle. The Gophers' standout has tallied eight sacks over the past two seasons, with a pair of sacks this season. Additionally, he has totaled 10 pass break ups and 18.5 tackles for loss during that span. While those numbers don't necessarily jump off the stat sheet, they speak to his potential as an interior rusher in an aggressive scheme. Hageman is athletic enough to loop around the corner on "T-E" games (defensive end crashes inside gap, while defensive tackle loops behind and around the end to come off the edge), but also displays the strength to attack on power moves up the middle. Looking at Hageman operate as a pass rusher, I believe he is at his best when used on the move in the Gophers' scheme. Although he doesn't exhibit exceptional first-step quickness, he accelerates quickly up the field and does a good job of working through cracks to get into the quarterback's face. This hasn't resulted in a ton of sacks, but his combination of sacks, pressures and breakups are enough to make him a dangerous weapon on the interior. If he can improve his snap count anticipation and hand usage, there isn't any reason why he can't produce six to eight sacks a season as an interior rusher as a pro.

Disruption
Elite defenders make their mark on every game by routinely delivering a handful of disruptive plays. These plays not only result in negative yardage or turnovers, but they alter the way opponents craft their future game plans. Hageman has all of the athletic potential to be disruptive force on the interior, but he hasn't fully developed the technical skills to unleash his natural talents on opponents. Now, he has been moderately successful relying on his raw skills, but elite blockers exploit his rudimentary game and effectively neutralize him at the point of attack. Although Hageman produces occasional flash plays that make coaches and scouts take notice, he doesn't dominate the game the way a 6-6, 311-pound freakish athlete should at this stage of his career. He disappears for long stretches in games, and doesn't consistently display the urgency or motor needed to be a difference maker at the next level. Given the importance of owning the line of scrimmage at the NFL level, Hageman needs to show scouts he can be a disruptive defender at the point of attack. He hasn't done it enough to justify the buzz surrounding his game at this time.

Conclusion
Hageman will be one of the hottest prospects in the 2014 class in the spring. He will tantalize evaluators with his freakish athleticism and superior physical dimensions, but his game tape doesn't match his natural talent at this time.
Although Hageman's production has been solid over the past two years, he hasn't dominated elite competition consistently. Additionally, he has shown an unrefined game that needs some touch-up work by a quality NFL defensive line coach.

Now, that isn't a bad thing, but it is something that must be factored into the evaluation when considering Hageman's short- and long-term potential. He is not ready to assume a major role as a first-year starter, but could be blossom into a difference-maker down the road. In fact, I believe that Hageman could become a Pro Bowl-caliber five-technique (defender aligned over top of the offensive tackle) in the mold of Calais Campbell in a 3-4 defense. While he has only played a few snaps at the position, he is a natural fit with his length and athleticism. He is strong enough to be a "two-gap" player, while also displaying the agility to move on stunts and games. Additionally, Hageman's experience at the one- and three-technique would give him the versatility to play in the hybrid 3-4 schemes that are currently the rage in the NFL.

Based on his size, athleticism, versatility and overall potential, I believe Hageman will get drafted much higher than his film grade would suggest. While I would rate him as a second-round player (rotational player with the potential to start by the end of his first season), I believe several teams will view him as a late first-round talent based on his upside and potential. If he puts in the work on the practice field and film room, Hageman could be the kind of difference-maker that transforms a good defense into a great one. However, there is no guarantee that he will ever reach his potential despite his remarkable talent, which is why he could fall into the "boom-or-bust" category by draft day.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
So far the mocks I have seen have the Bears taking the Safety or MLB from Alabama or some CB from Oregon.


Which mean Emery will select some projected second rounder with possible upside instead.


I'm telling you. This guy is scaring me -

Ra'Shede Hageman

By Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst

The top general managers and coaches in the NFL understand that the league is not only about player acquisition, but it's about player development, particularly for players in the trenches.

With the NCAA's restrictive 20-hour rule limiting the on-field development of players, NFL executives expect even top prospects to enter the league with raw, unrefined games. As a result, scouts are willing to put big grades on players with impressive physical attributes but inconsistencies in significant parts of their games.

That's why I'm fascinated by the evaluation of Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman. The 6-foot-6, 311-pound senior is one of the most explosive athletes in college football, yet he hasn't put it together on the field. He flashes disruptive potential as an interior defender, amassing 18.5 tackles for loss, eight sacks and 11 pass breakups over the past two seasons. Sure, those numbers represent solid production for an interior defender, but it's not the kind of output that screams first-round prospect in my opinion.

With a few days to dig into the tape before Hageman wraps up his career in the Texas Bowl, I analyzed his game to see if he has the potential to be a franchise-caliber defender at the next level. Here are my thoughts:

Athleticism
Hagemen is unquestionably one of the most explosive athletes in college football.
According to a report from noted college writer Bruce Feldman, the Golden Gopher standout has posted some impressive measurements in the weight room. Hageman has recorded a 36-inch vertical jump and clocked an astonishing 1.57-second 10-yard split in the 40-yard dash. Factor in his reported 465-pound bench press, and Hageman will be expected to rank among the top performers at the NFL Scouting Combine in a few months.

For context, J.J. Watt recorded a 37-inch vertical and blazed a 4.84-second 40-yard dash (1.64 split at the 10-yard mark) at the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine. Those numbers made him one of the top performers at the event; it set the stage for him to emerge as the 2012 Defensive Player of the Year. Thus, there will be several coaches and scouts that will see Hageman as a potential impact player who simply needs the right kind of instruction to bring his talents to the surface on the field. While there is certainly plenty of risk with this line of thinking, it will not stop a handful of NFL teams from viewing Hageman as someone who could blossom into a superstar as a pro based solely on his athleticism and movement skills.

Run defense
Defensive coordinators place a significant emphasis on stopping the run, particularly when evaluating defensive tackles. Hageman shows tremendous promise as a run stopper in the middle of the defense. As a one- (aligned over the center) and three-technique (positioned over the guard) in the Gophers' scheme, Hageman displays enough strength and power to hold the point against single and double teams. Although he plays too high at times, he is rarely knocked off his spot and effectively clogs up holes with his presence. From a technical standpoint, he will need to work on his leverage, pad level and hand quickness to succeed against interior blockers at the next level. Hageman doesn't take full advantage of his superior arm length, but if he learns to keep blockers at bay, he could make a greater impact at the point of attack on shed and disengage plays.


Against runs to the outside, Hageman flashes speed, quickness and burst in pursuit. He has the potential to run down ball carriers from the backside with his long, loping strides. Although he doesn't consistently give the extra effort to make those plays, Hageman stands out when he revs it up and displays fanatical effort on run downs. Looking at his standout performance against Nebraska, it was his initial quickness and burst against the run that impressed me the most. If he can find a way to bring those talents to the surface consistently, Hageman could be an upper-echelon playmaker at the next level.

Pass-rush ability
The gradual shift of the NFL into a league governed by the pass makes it imperative for elite defensive tackles to display strong rush skills. Hageman is a credible rusher with the size, strength and quickness to create a consistent push up the middle. The Gophers' standout has tallied eight sacks over the past two seasons, with a pair of sacks this season. Additionally, he has totaled 10 pass break ups and 18.5 tackles for loss during that span. While those numbers don't necessarily jump off the stat sheet, they speak to his potential as an interior rusher in an aggressive scheme. Hageman is athletic enough to loop around the corner on "T-E" games (defensive end crashes inside gap, while defensive tackle loops behind and around the end to come off the edge), but also displays the strength to attack on power moves up the middle. Looking at Hageman operate as a pass rusher, I believe he is at his best when used on the move in the Gophers' scheme. Although he doesn't exhibit exceptional first-step quickness, he accelerates quickly up the field and does a good job of working through cracks to get into the quarterback's face. This hasn't resulted in a ton of sacks, but his combination of sacks, pressures and breakups are enough to make him a dangerous weapon on the interior. If he can improve his snap count anticipation and hand usage, there isn't any reason why he can't produce six to eight sacks a season as an interior rusher as a pro.

Disruption
Elite defenders make their mark on every game by routinely delivering a handful of disruptive plays. These plays not only result in negative yardage or turnovers, but they alter the way opponents craft their future game plans. Hageman has all of the athletic potential to be disruptive force on the interior, but he hasn't fully developed the technical skills to unleash his natural talents on opponents. Now, he has been moderately successful relying on his raw skills, but elite blockers exploit his rudimentary game and effectively neutralize him at the point of attack. Although Hageman produces occasional flash plays that make coaches and scouts take notice, he doesn't dominate the game the way a 6-6, 311-pound freakish athlete should at this stage of his career. He disappears for long stretches in games, and doesn't consistently display the urgency or motor needed to be a difference maker at the next level. Given the importance of owning the line of scrimmage at the NFL level, Hageman needs to show scouts he can be a disruptive defender at the point of attack. He hasn't done it enough to justify the buzz surrounding his game at this time.

Conclusion
Hageman will be one of the hottest prospects in the 2014 class in the spring. He will tantalize evaluators with his freakish athleticism and superior physical dimensions, but his game tape doesn't match his natural talent at this time. Although Hageman's production has been solid over the past two years, he hasn't dominated elite competition consistently. Additionally, he has shown an unrefined game that needs some touch-up work by a quality NFL defensive line coach.

Now, that isn't a bad thing, but it is something that must be factored into the evaluation when considering Hageman's short- and long-term potential. He is not ready to assume a major role as a first-year starter, but could be blossom into a difference-maker down the road. In fact, I believe that Hageman could become a Pro Bowl-caliber five-technique (defender aligned over top of the offensive tackle) in the mold of Calais Campbell in a 3-4 defense. While he has only played a few snaps at the position, he is a natural fit with his length and athleticism. He is strong enough to be a "two-gap" player, while also displaying the agility to move on stunts and games. Additionally, Hageman's experience at the one- and three-technique would give him the versatility to play in the hybrid 3-4 schemes that are currently the rage in the NFL.

Based on his size, athleticism, versatility and overall potential, I believe Hageman will get drafted much higher than his film grade would suggest. While I would rate him as a second-round player (rotational player with the potential to start by the end of his first season), I believe several teams will view him as a late first-round talent based on his upside and potential. If he puts in the work on the practice field and film room, Hageman could be the kind of difference-maker that transforms a good defense into a great one. However, there is no guarantee that he will ever reach his potential despite his remarkable talent, which is why he could fall into the "boom-or-bust" category by draft day.


Bears will trade up for him.


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Keep up the good work Doc, if you keep talking about him enough he wont be an under the radar pick.

Spiegs is currently getting ready to report that if his source is correct the Bears have already decided that Hageman is their guy.

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If the Bears draft him, I'm all on-board, though. Look at that athleticism!!

I really, really don't want the Bears to trade down from 14. And I really, really like women.

I really, re...think there is going to be somebody there that can be a difference-maker on defense at 14 whether it is the Alabama guys or Gilbert. Mosley would be a steal.

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If the Bears draft him, I'm all on-board, though.
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If the Bears draft him, I'm all on-board, though.
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I didn't like when they fired Ditka.

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Athletes and combine numbers. That's what Emery loves. I prefer guys who can actually play football but what do I know.


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Athletes and combine numbers. That's what Emery loves. I prefer guys who can actually play football but what do I know.

Wasn't that more of Angelo's thing? The dude who could jump out of a pool, etc.

Shea wasn't really some workout combine machine, was he?

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I love Mosley. If he is there at 14 the Bears have got to go chalk & pick him.

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Like others have intimated, it's very likely that Emery tries to grab what he perceives as an undiscovered gem with the first pick.

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Wouldn't mind seeing the Bears take a flyer on this guy. Long is really talking him up. Sounds like he likes to have a good time off the field. Warning: video exists of him jumping out of a 4 ft. pool.

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Wouldn't mind seeing the Bears take a flyer on this guy. Long is really talking him up. Sounds like he likes to have a good time off the field. Warning: video exists of him jumping out of a 4 ft. pool.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/play ... olt-lyerla


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Myriad of off-field issues. Abruptly quit the team on Oct. 6, calling his choice to leave the Ducks as a "personal decision." This occurred after missing the Ducks' Sept. 14 game against Tennessee for what Lyerla later called the stomach flu but head coach Mark Helfrich characterized simply as "circumstances."

Arrested Oct. 23, 2013 when undercover police discovered inhaling a "white powdery substance" inside a car. Lyerla later admitted the substance was cocaine. This was hardly Lyerla's only run-in with police. He had his driver's license suspended Oct. 11, 2013 after receiving four driving tickets in the previous 24 months. It is worth noting that since his arrest and court case Lyerla, has parted ways with one sports representative and signed with another.

COMPARES TO: Rob Gronkowski, New England Patriots - Like "Gronk," Lyerla comes with plenty of red-flags that will cause some to completely drop him from their boards.


Based on this information, I'd only draft him if he's gay.

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I am ready for the draft today. My guy for the Bears is Aaron Donald.

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I am ready for the draft today. My guy for the Bears is Aaron Donald.


I'd have to agree based on need for this team. Brief summary of the combine makes me smile.

AARON DONALD, PITT, DT
The big winner from the combine. The 6-1, 285-pound lineman clocked a ridiculous 4.68-second 40-yard dash, did 35 bench-press reps of 225 pounds, and, just as importantly, looked smooth and quick in defensive lineman drills. He has the look of an athletic defensive tackle, and he may have cemented his place in the first round.

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285 is light, so that is the one concern

the guy is a hard worker and has talent...that is a rare combination

I would love to see a passing down with both Donald and Melton rushing the interior flushing the QB out for Mc Clellin.

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why is he better than hageman?

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285 is light, so that is the one concern

the guy is a hard worker and has talent...that is a rare combination

I would love to see a passing down with both Donald and Melton rushing the interior flushing the QB out for Mc Clellin.


He's the same size as John Randle, and from what I've seen of him, he never seemed to take a play off. I absolutely love that kid.

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good dolphin wrote:
285 is light, so that is the one concern

the guy is a hard worker and has talent...that is a rare combination

I would love to see a passing down with both Donald and Melton rushing the interior flushing the QB out for Mc Clellin.


He's the same size as John Randle, and from what I've seen of him, he never seemed to take a play off. I absolutely love that kid.


It is a little light but with that quickness he is going to be able to cause problems on stunts I would think.
He isn't going to bullrush a lot of guys but 35 reps on the bench is no joke. He appears to be a beast to me.
If he falls to the Bears they have to take a guy like that and hope he can help anchor a D-line for the next 4
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285 is light, so that is the one concern

the guy is a hard worker and has talent...that is a rare combination

I would love to see a passing down with both Donald and Melton rushing the interior flushing the QB out for Mc Clellin.


He's the same size as John Randle, and from what I've seen of him, he never seemed to take a play off. I absolutely love that kid.

Randle is the first name that came to my mind when I watched him and did some reading on him.

Hope it happens. DT like that can be a game changer and make the rest of the D a lot better in a hurry

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Obviously I have seen this guy here and he is awesome and has a lot of awards. A great DT can change things big ala Randle. Remind me how big Tommy Harris was. Because when he was healthy and on the Bears were fierce.

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why is he better than hageman?


much more of a pass rushing threat with advanced technique, much quicker and a very hard worker. He also was highly productive on the field

Hageman has top 5 ability but seems to pace himself

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Obviously I have seen this guy here and he is awesome and has a lot of awards. A great DT can change things big ala Randle. Remind me how big Tommy Harris was. Because when he was healthy and on the Bears were fierce.


Tommie's numbers at the combine were 6'3 295 lbs 4.68 40yd dash 29 bench reps

Pretty comparable. The Bears have been looking for another Tommie Harris for years.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:51 pm 
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Dustin Vaughan QB
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:04 pm 
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An early draft

1. Aaron Donald, DT, Pitt
2. Kyle Fuller, CB, VT
3. Kareem Martin, DE, UNC
4. Jimmie Ward, S, NIU
5. Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia
6. Max Bullough, MLB, Mich. St.
6. Pat O'Donell, P, Miami

I'm not sure we can get either Murray or Bullough at those spots but I feel pretty good about the others.
-Ward will fall because of he looked weak at the Combine but I want a safety who doesn't have to line up 25 yards downfield on pass plays.
-Martin is all over the board in terms of draft position. I think he has 4th RD production/effort but I don't want to lose out on him.
-I think Murray falls because of injury and competition
-maybe Bullough falls because he had late season off field incidents and because he can only play the run but this guy is a future defensive captain

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I don't think Murray falls that far. He won't make it out of the 4th.

QBs like him get too much press going into the 2nd (I guess 3rd day now) that teams get anxious and grab them early that day.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't think Murray falls that far. He won't make it out of the 4th.

QBs like him get too much press going into the 2nd (I guess 3rd day now) that teams get anxious and grab them early that day.


I agree with you. I'm speculating that his inability to throw will push him down. I don't know what the timetable is for recovery but he might be pushing it to even be ready for training camp, so he almost HAS to be a 3rd stringer next year.

Then you have to factor in that he won't have medical clearance from any competent doctor by the draft. That will take him off some team's boards (it would have moved him up Angelo's). Add in the teams that don't need a QB and the 8-10 who will have already drafted someone ahead of him and his potential places of employment starts to get very small. Ourlads has Murray rated 9th. I think that is about right. I think he is better than Taj Boyd, but guys like Fales, Wenning, Price and Morris may be better.

My deep sleeper if no one is available is Connor Shaw out of SC as an UDFA.

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I'm officially on board for Aaron Donald.


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