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CSFMB: What? No, you stupid cracker.

Here's why. Marshall is up after next year. Jeffery is up 2 years from now. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY TWO STUD WRs. They'll both demand and get top 5 WR money. You obviously are gonna choose the younger Jeffery if you have to pick between these two.

The Bears gave up two 3rd round picks for Marshall. Well, he's been a good boy here and produced as a top 5 receiver for 2 straight seasons. He's still relatively young at 30. So I'm thinking the Bears can get a #2 and a #3 pick for him. At worst a #2 and a #4. Then the Bears can plug in a speed guy to go with Jeffery. Cuz Marshall and Jeffery, while great, aren't speed demons.

It's logistics. You gotta think big picture. And those 2 extra draft picks could get you Marshall's replacement under a manageable rookie contract for 4 years. Or the kid we picked in last year's draft might be good. I forget his name. He got a catch in the GB game.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:11 pm 
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You're not going to get a 2nd round pick for a 31yr old WR, with a history of mental problems. Guessing they let him walk when his contract is up and then give Jefferies the big contract. They already have drafted Marshall's replacement in last years draft.


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Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


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You're not going to get a 2nd round pick for a 31yr old WR, with a history of mental problems. Guessing they let him walk when his contract is up and then give Jefferies the big contract. They already have drafted Marshall's replacement in last years draft.


Bears gave up 2 3rd round picks when he actually had problems. It worked out and Marshall has been good. His mental health treatment has worked. Granted, I'll give you the fact that he is now 2 years older.

So, fine, I'll take what the Bears gave up for him. Two 3rd round picks. I think somebody will bight on that. I still don't think a #2 and a #4 is out of the question. I acutally have a team. I think the Patriots might do it. They need a WR and Brady's clock is running out. Marshall still has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.


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Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


You just can't. Cutler got his money. Forte is being paid well for 3 more years . Like I said Jeffery is younger and up in 2 years. You'd rather have him than Marshall cuz of age. You just can't afford all of this offensive money in a salary cap league.

Doesn't matter how close Marshall is with Emery. We have a salary cap. Emery is aware of it. He's aware that Jeffery comes up a year after Marshall too. He's also aware that Jeffery is 7 years younger.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


He'll give him the equivalent of the Franchise Tag for 3 years.

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Beardown wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


You just can't. Cutler got his money. Forte is being paid well for 3 more years . Like I said Jeffery is younger and up in 2 years. You'd rather have him than Marshall cuz of age. You just can't afford all of this offensive money in a salary cap league.


Maybe they can?


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Beardown wrote:
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You're not going to get a 2nd round pick for a 31yr old WR, with a history of mental problems. Guessing they let him walk when his contract is up and then give Jefferies the big contract. They already have drafted Marshall's replacement in last years draft.


Bears gave up 2 3rd round picks when he actually had problems. It worked out and Marshall has been good. His mental health treatment has worked. Granted, I'll give you the fact that he is now 2 years older.

So, fine, I'll take what the Bears gave up for him. Two 3rd round picks. I think somebody will bight on that. I still don't think a #2 and a #4 is out of the question. I acutally have a team. I think the Patriots might do it. They need a WR and Brady's clock is running out. Marshall still has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.


The Patriots are the type of team that trade away players like Marshall for draft picks, not the other way around. Bellichick, loves his picks.



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Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


Maybe Emery invites him to Trestman's hotel room and they "find a way to make it work." :shock:


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Hadn't thought of it before, but they could even extend Marshall and probably free up some cap space.


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Juiced wrote:
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You're not going to get a 2nd round pick for a 31yr old WR, with a history of mental problems. Guessing they let him walk when his contract is up and then give Jefferies the big contract. They already have drafted Marshall's replacement in last years draft.


Bears gave up 2 3rd round picks when he actually had problems. It worked out and Marshall has been good. His mental health treatment has worked. Granted, I'll give you the fact that he is now 2 years older.

So, fine, I'll take what the Bears gave up for him. Two 3rd round picks. I think somebody will bight on that. I still don't think a #2 and a #4 is out of the question. I acutally have a team. I think the Patriots might do it. They need a WR and Brady's clock is running out. Marshall still has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.


The Patriots are the type of team that trade away players like Marshall for draft picks, not the other way around. Bellichick, loves his picks.

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Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


Maybe Emery invites him to Trestman's hotel room and they "find a way to make it work." :shock:


The Patriots traded draft picks for Randy Moss. Granted, they got him for a steal. Brady has 2, maybe 3 years left at being good. Belicheck realizes this. If not them somebody else might do it.

I'm just looking at this realistically. You guys seem to not understand that there is a salary cap. You live in the fantasy world where the Bears can sign everybody. They can't. You have to pay some defensive guys. If you sign Jeffery and Marshall with Forte's and Cutler's big money on the books, that will be about 40% of the cap to 4 offensive players. Maybe a little more. You just can't do it.


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With the way that Marshall loves Cutler, it wouldn't surprise me if he did some kind of discount or deferred money contract just to stay.

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yeah... no. whatever chance you have for the championship window being open even so much as a sliver depends on cutler maximizing his physical tools/abilities with marshall/jeffery there. i have a feeling alshon would come back to earth if he faced teams' #1 coverage guy 100% of the time week-in/week-out, so at least try to prolong that exposure for 2-3 years or whatever.

i can dig the sentimentality behind the idea, but in this example you don't want to cripple the most dangerous aspect of the team just to be ahead of the curve in getting extra picks that we're not 100% sold on emery adequately using.

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Now, if Emery thinks this team can win a Super Bowl next year. You keep them both and just lose Marshall to free agency. He might be looking at it that way. Super Bowl is worth that.

But with Jeffery up 2 years from now, there is no way they can keep both of them. And you always choose the guy that's 7 years younger.

I say trade him for the draft picks and get a cheaper speed demon for Trestman to work with. Maybe it's that kid we drafted last year.


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yeah... no. whatever chance you have for the championship window being open even so much as a sliver depends on cutler maximizing his physical tools/abilities with marshall/jeffery there. i have a feeling alshon would come back to earth if he faced teams' #1 coverage guy 100% of the time week-in/week-out, so at least try to prolong that exposure for 2-3 years or whatever.

i can dig the sentimentality behind the idea, but in this example you don't want to cripple the most dangerous aspect of the team just to be ahead of the curve in getting extra picks that we're not 100% sold on emery adequately using.


All of this ^, and especially the emboldened part.

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Brandon Marshall is a leg or hip injury waiting to happen. I would extend him. Wilson and Jeffery are the future.

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It would be hilarious to trade Cutlers boy friend the day after the contract but I don't think that would work and I think cutler would immediately start pouting


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It would be hilarious to trade Cutlers boy friend the day after the contract but I don't think that would work and I think cutler would immediately start pouting


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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.


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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.


He is the 2nd best and it wouldn't happen this season. Marshall can't be expected to last much longer after 15 hip surgeries and a leg injury just about every week. His body will shut down.

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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.

Its just a little more with those two guys but you're right any qb would be pissed


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.

Its just a little more with those two guys but you're right any qb would be pissed


True, a player who has a friend traded away would probably be upset. Even more so if it was his best offensive weapon.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.

Its just a little more with those two guys but you're right any qb would be pissed


True, a player who has a friend traded away would probably be upset. Even more so if it was his best offensive weapon.

Not sure about best but I'm sure Jay agrees so that's moot


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
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Wait, a QB would be upset if his best offensive weapon was traded for draft picks!? Stunning. #C.A.L.L.

Its just a little more with those two guys but you're right any qb would be pissed


True, a player who has a friend traded away would probably be upset. Even more so if it was his best offensive weapon.

Not sure about best but I'm sure Jay agrees so that's moot


I would say Forte

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You're not going to get a 2nd round pick for a 31yr old WR, with a history of mental problems. Guessing they let him walk when his contract is up and then give Jefferies the big contract. They already have drafted Marshall's replacement in last years draft.


Bears gave up 2 3rd round picks when he actually had problems. It worked out and Marshall has been good. His mental health treatment has worked. Granted, I'll give you the fact that he is now 2 years older.

So, fine, I'll take what the Bears gave up for him. Two 3rd round picks. I think somebody will bight on that. I still don't think a #2 and a #4 is out of the question. I acutally have a team. I think the Patriots might do it. They need a WR and Brady's clock is running out. Marshall still has 2 or 3 good seasons in him.


The Patriots are the type of team that trade away players like Marshall for draft picks, not the other way around. Bellichick, loves his picks.



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Think you're underestimating how close Emery and Marshall are. Doubt they let him walk. They will find a way to make it work, IMO.


Maybe Emery invites him to Trestman's hotel room and they "find a way to make it work." :shock:


The Patriots dont do this as a matter of fact, but maybe more than any team in the league.

Also many can say as long as they have Brady they can do this.

Well, they have Brady because of Bellicheck. So, maybe BB has lived of having Tom Brady, but when you go out on a limb and keep 4 QBS! To keep Tom brady as a coach, you then get 100% of the credit that comes with it.

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yeah... no. whatever chance you have for the championship window being open even so much as a sliver depends on cutler maximizing his physical tools/abilities with marshall/jeffery there. i have a feeling alshon would come back to earth if he faced teams' #1 coverage guy 100% of the time week-in/week-out, so at least try to prolong that exposure for 2-3 years or whatever.

i can dig the sentimentality behind the idea, but in this example you don't want to cripple the most dangerous aspect of the team just to be ahead of the curve in getting extra picks that we're not 100% sold on emery adequately using.






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CSFMB: What? No, you stupid cracker.

Here's why. Marshall is up after next year. Jeffery is up 2 years from now. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY TWO STUD WRs. They'll both demand and get top 5 WR money. You obviously are gonna choose the younger Jeffery if you have to pick between these two.

The Bears gave up two 3rd round picks for Marshall. Well, he's been a good boy here and produced as a top 5 receiver for 2 straight seasons. He's still relatively young at 30. So I'm thinking the Bears can get a #2 and a #3 pick for him. At worst a #2 and a #4. Then the Bears can plug in a speed guy to go with Jeffery. Cuz Marshall and Jeffery, while great, aren't speed demons.

It's logistics. You gotta think big picture. And those 2 extra draft picks could get you Marshall's replacement under a manageable rookie contract for 4 years. Or the kid we picked in last year's draft might be good. I forget his name. He got a catch in the GB game.


I win. Posted this in January. What did they do instead? Gave him an exension. Now his trade value isn't nearly what it was this offseason.


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I agree with this notion. Trade Marshall to Green Bay for a 2nd round pick.

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