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If all goes well the Bulls may have 3 lottery picks in possibly the best draft since 2003.


Where are the lottery picks? I thought the picks were protected from being lottery.


They are top 10 protected.

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I think a better question might be: Is it too soon for the worst #1 pick in NBA history label?

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Nas wrote:
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If all goes well the Bulls may have 3 lottery picks in possibly the best draft since 2003.


Where are the lottery picks? I thought the picks were protected from being lottery.


They are top 10 protected.

:lol: only 14 are lottery picks. Not good odds

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From what I understand this isn't a great trade, but it's not really a bad one either. It's good for JR because the Bulls wont have to pay the tax this season. But the picks we got are going to end up being pretty meaningless and we were letting Deng go anyway. Im sure the Bulls wanted a better offer but none were there. And Im sure Steve is correct that the offer was made just so they could say they made Deng an offer. Hard for him to accept a 3/30 contract when some dumbass team will pay him 4/50 this summer.

That is how I am seeing this as well. People seem excited about the draft picks, but they seem like they will be nothing at best. But I guess I should know by now that Nas is going to Nas.


Between now and 2017 the Kings may finish with a record that gives the the 11th pick or worse. It is very likely the Bulls will be better than the Cavs next year and will swap picks. That is better than getting zero for Deng.

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hey, this makes the Cavs the 3rd best team in the East now !

I thought the Cavs would actually be good this year, but they're awful. Maybe they are tanking again for another #1 pick. Gotta sweeten the pot for the inevitable return of Lebron.


well they might be good if Irving hadn't been injured and if Anthony Bennett was even remotely contributing....is it too soon for the BUST label ?
And Tristan Thompson looked pretty good last year and seems to have regressed

I think the answer is to that is no. He's a bust for sure. I think a better question might be: Is it too soon for the worst #1 pick in NBA history label?

Come on, man. He won an MVP

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I think a better question might be: Is it too soon for the worst #1 pick in NBA history label?

Oden now and forever.


remember, Oden at least played ~1/2 season and was fairly dominant as a defender (obviously he had little to no offensive game)


Bennett can barely make 1 basket :?




and please don't even mention Pervis or Kandi man....


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Let us not forget the Candy man



:lol:


he had a decent NBA career
in terms of a #1 pick ? sure, disappointing as hell. as was Joe Smith, in the context of a #1 pick. both were solid players though
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Yeah Bennett is a bust. Horrible.

Who will be the best player out of that draft class?

I thought Otto Porter before the year started, but injuries have hurt him starting the year

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Len Bias is worse than all of em


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Obviously it is too soon to make such a declaration but if Bennett doesn't improve, he will have a worse career than Kwame and Oden.

Everyone likes to point out Kandi. As Bagels said, he wasn't god-awful. He's barely even in the team photo for worst #1 pick ever.

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Len Bias is worse than all of em

2nd pick.

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Yeah Bennett is a bust. Horrible.

Who will be the best player out of that draft class?

I thought Otto Porter before the year started, but injuries have hurt him starting the year

Trey Burke or MCW

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Obviously it is too soon to make such a declaration but if Bennett doesn't improve, he will have a worse career than Kwame and Oden.

Everyone likes to point out Kandi. As Bagels said, he wasn't god-awful. He's barely even in the team photo for worst #1 pick ever.

Are there 5 worse #1 picks?

How many people are in this picture?


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Len Bias is worse than all of em

2nd pick.

I know, but still. Zero production.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Obviously it is too soon to make such a declaration but if Bennett doesn't improve, he will have a worse career than Kwame and Oden.

Everyone likes to point out Kandi. As Bagels said, he wasn't god-awful. He's barely even in the team photo for worst #1 pick ever.

Are there 5 worse #1 picks?

How many people are in this picture?

There's probably 5 worse ones. Kwame/Oden/Bennett are all worse and that's just recently.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Len Bias is worse than all of em

2nd pick.

I know, but still. Zero production.

True but he also didn't count against the cap, so he was still a better value pick than a guy like Bennett.

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Obviously it is too soon to make such a declaration but if Bennett doesn't improve, he will have a worse career than Kwame and Oden.

Everyone likes to point out Kandi. As Bagels said, he wasn't god-awful. He's barely even in the team photo for worst #1 pick ever.

Are there 5 worse #1 picks?

How many people are in this picture?

There's probably 5 worse ones. Kwame/Oden/Bennett are all worse and that's just recently.

I once heard an NBA insider suggest Kwame was the best defender in the league


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From what I understand this isn't a great trade, but it's not really a bad one either. It's good for JR because the Bulls wont have to pay the tax this season. But the picks we got are going to end up being pretty meaningless and we were letting Deng go anyway. Im sure the Bulls wanted a better offer but none were there. And Im sure Steve is correct that the offer was made just so they could say they made Deng an offer. Hard for him to accept a 3/30 contract when some dumbass team will pay him 4/50 this summer.


he currently has the 27th highest salary in the league
no way is he in the top 27 players

Every pre-season SF ranking I can find had him no lower than the 7th best in the league. Most had him #5 or #6. He has done nothing during this season to worsen his rankings.

I wouldn't have had an issue paying Luol Deng up to $13M a year, as long as the years didn't surpass 3.

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Deng trade causes Northwestern player to transfer...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10258773/chier-ajou-transfer-northwestern-wildcats

Bulls are killing all basketball in Chicago. More minutes for the Jewish kid, I guess.


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Does having to pay the luxury tax in any way prevent the Bulls from acquiring players or is it just a situation like where the Yankees know they will pay it every year. If not, I don't see why any fan would see luxury tax avoidance for JR as a benefit of this deal to the fandom.

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Does having to pay the luxury tax in any way prevent the Bulls from acquiring players or is it just a situation like where the Yankees know they will pay it every year. If not, I don't see why any fan would see luxury tax avoidance for JR as a benefit of this deal to the fandom.

The savings can be allocated to the White Sox instead?


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Does having to pay the luxury tax in any way prevent the Bulls from acquiring players or is it just a situation like where the Yankees know they will pay it every year. If not, I don't see why any fan would see luxury tax avoidance for JR as a benefit of this deal to the fandom.

Luxury tax

While the soft cap allows teams to exceed the salary cap indefinitely by re-signing their own players using the "Larry Bird" family of exceptions, there are consequences for exceeding the cap by large amounts. A luxury tax payment is required of teams whose payroll exceeds a certain "tax level," determined by a complicated formula, and teams exceeding it are punished by being forced to pay one dollar to the League for each dollar by which their payroll exceeds the tax level.
While most NBA teams hold contracts valued in excess of the salary cap, few teams have payrolls at luxury tax levels. The tax threshold in 2005–06 was $61.7 million. In 2005–06, the New York Knicks' payroll was $124 million, putting them $74.5 million above the salary cap, and $62.3 million above the tax line, which Knicks owner James Dolan paid to the league. Tax revenues are normally redistributed evenly among non-tax-paying teams, so there is often a several-million-dollar incentive to owners not to pay the luxury tax.
The luxury tax level for the 2008–09 season was $71.15 million.[22] For the 2009–10 season, the luxury tax level was set at $69.92 million.[23] The luxury tax level for the 2010–11 and 2012–13 NBA seasons was $70,307,000.[9]
The 2011 CBA instituted major changes to the luxury tax regime. The dollar-for-dollar tax provisions of the previous CBA remain in effect through the 2012–13 season. Starting in 2013–14, the tax changes to an incremental system. Tax will be assessed at different levels based on the amount that a team is over the luxury tax threshold. The scheme is not cumulative—each level of tax applies only to amounts over that level's threshold. For example, a team that is $8 million over the tax threshold will pay $1.50 for each of its first $5 million over the tax threshold, and $1.75 per dollar for the remaining $3 million. Starting in 2014–15, "repeat offenders", subject to additional penalties, are defined as teams that paid tax in previous seasons. In the first season, repeat offenders from in all previous three seasons will pay a stiffer tax rate; from 2015–16 thereafter, teams paying taxes in three out of four years will be subject to the higher repeater rate.[10] As in the previous CBA, the tax revenue is divided among teams with lower payrolls.[52] However, under the new scheme, no more than 50% of the total tax revenue can go exclusively to teams that did not go over the cap.[6] Initial reports did not specify the use of the remaining 50% under the 2011 CBA,[6] but it was later confirmed that this amount would be used to fund revenue sharing for the season during which tax was paid.[53]
For the 2013–14 season, the luxury tax threshold was set at $71.748 million. The Brooklyn Nets, whose payroll for that season was projected to be over $100 million, would face a luxury tax bill above $80 million, resulting in a total payroll cost of $186 million.

This Wiki article actually does a pretty solid job of explaining many of the rules pertaining to NBA contracts, trades, exceptions,...,etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary_Cap

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Obviously it is too soon to make such a declaration but if Bennett doesn't improve, he will have a worse career than Kwame and Oden.

Everyone likes to point out Kandi. As Bagels said, he wasn't god-awful. He's barely even in the team photo for worst #1 pick ever.

Are there 5 worse #1 picks?

How many people are in this picture?

There's probably 5 worse ones. Kwame/Oden/Bennett are all worse and that's just recently.

I once heard an NBA insider suggest Kwame was the best defender in the league

:lol: bullshit. even the term nba insider is thrown around very loosely I cant believe anyone would say that.

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