On today’s show, Dan will continue to his fake outrage by talking talk very LOUD and very S L O W on why the NCAA is an evil cartel. Large words will be used to defend Chicago's Big Ten Labor Union.

They will also bitch about the NFL media spending so much time talking about things that don’t matter instead of Sunday’s big game. Immediately following this, they will spend the last 3 hours of the show discussing Marshawn Lynch not talking to the media. Terry will agree with everything Dan says.

Tune in.

Actually don’t. It will not be good.

There was an interesting call. Someone called in and said something like "Many of the issues with the NCAA are because of the NFL and NBA and how they are actually the ones who force the NCAA to operate as it does" and it was quickly dismissed with by saying things like "We aren't talking about that. We know. We've talked about that before. They are fixing it too. The NBA has a minor league now." and then they went back to complaining about the NCAA.

I don't remember them spending more than 2 minutes on the subject on how the problems with amateur athletics are mostly problems created by professional athletics and how the NBA and especially the NFL dictate the system. Now, let's go back to calling the NCAA a cartel that is so much different than the non-cartel that is the NFL and NBA.

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I thought this would be about Brian Cardinal

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Actually Jess Settles.

He's back working with the athletic department. If you count his time in college, he's only 2 years from getting a pension.

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Great thread title and description.

I haven't listened, but I have a useless opinion on the college athletics thing. Participating in college athletics is voluntary. For really good athletes they are offered a free ride education. Otherwise, you participate at your own discretion, no different than rec league or a pick-up game. Now the real difference is that football and basketball profit off the use of volunteer labor. The other sports have no reason to gripe because they are a net drain on the university resources.

For the great basketball and football players in the NCAA, they are in fact getting something for their efforts- a chance to hit it rich in the NBA or NFL. They are essentially being showcased on a big stage, given coaching, and the opportunity to make it big. Again, they do not sign up for college sports to get paid. It's just not the deal. The deal is, you get into a college you may not otherwise be qualified to attend, you receive an education if you want it, and you get to play a sport that you love on an amateur level. The fact that the colleges have made a business model out of it to support better facilities, training, etc, is just a fact of life. The universities make a ton of money off their research and technology. Now the professors are paid, like the coaches, but the grad students are not.

I honestly don't care one way or the other, but the whole union business is just changing the "deal" of amateur athletics. The NCAA should allow athletes to support themselves with a real job or provide a livable stipend to basic expenses. I just don't think a salary is necessary.

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First rule of B&B Lick Club: Don't create a better strawman than the hosts, or least not by calling in and verbally presenting it directly to them while on the air.

I would also add that it is the media that puts as much pressure on the NCAA by relentlessly pressing them to be more like the "pros."

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more posts today than all other shows combined and it hasn't even started yet!!

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Shouldn't Dan be in favor of the NCAA monetizing everything?

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True, and we can even include B&B in this.

I still can't believe the time they honestly argued that college athletes shouldn't even be enrolled in the school. I mean, of all the dumb ideas I've heard, that has to be the worst. Let's solve the issue of academics by athletes by just removing the academics all together! Then, we'll have a bunch of high school graduates looking for work after doing nothing but playing basketball or football for four years! Oh, then they can go to college, because if there is one thing that can help people who weren't great students in high school, it is a 4-5 year period where they don't study or learn anything but a playbook!

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What if you let them take the fall semesters off altogether and let them be part-time students until the athletic commitments are over, then honor the rest of their scholarships? They can't be optimizing their free educations if they have to schedule courses around football.

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This is kind of what they do now, though they still take classes in the fall. They just take less of a workload and the easier ones. It's aided greatly by summer school classes.

I like the idea that everyone is granted a 6 year scholarship. If you don't play your first year, then take more classes. If you go right from the start, get your core classes out of the way and then you have two years after you are done to finish up your degree and/or take graduate level classes.

The true failing of the scholarship system isn't really how it is more difficult to handle college classes and play. It's that you don't have the buffer of extra time afterwards to finish up everything. It's hard to graduate in 4 or 5 years while playing football. Give them a couple extra years to be students and take the harder classes afterwards.

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It is not that hard if you take advantage of the summer classes.

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All I'll say is that anyone who thinks Johnny Manziel should work for free to benefit a wrestler or a volleyball player sure as fuck should be able to understand taking money from billionaires.

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Who is taking money away from Manziel?

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Exactly.

And this is how women's basketball was set up at NU. Our daughter's best friend got a four year ride and graduated with honors in that time frame.

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Manziel and other football players are making huge money for their universities that supports all kinds of programs, not to mention obscene coach's salaries.

At times your position seems to be that football and basketball players should just do what they do for the greater good of all scholarship athletes. I could possibly get on board with such a position if so many others weren't lining their pockets on the backs of Manziel, et. al. But I don't believe that's really where you're coming from anyway. You're just a fan of college football who doesn't want anything threatening the status quo too much. Just like a lot of people in the 1800's liked cheap cotton shirts and didn't want anything threatening their low price.

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I wouldn't phrase it just like that. In all sports, at the professional level, the true elite get underpaid for the good of the league and the rest of the players. That is why salary caps and luxury taxes exist. Some leagues have max deals.

I think the NCAA is well within it's right to offer what they feel is fair compensation and another group is free to offer better compensation. Of course it is unfair that they are "unpaid" currently but that goes away quickly if they just stop listening to the small schools and start giving every player $2,000 to $3,000 extra a month. Maybe they are underpaid still. We'll see if someone steps up to pay them more. I doubt it.
Once again. Just stop. College football and basketball are completely voluntary. It's insulting to everyone to even put slavery in the same discussion.

I'm simply a guy who thinks that they deserve $2,000 to $3,000 more a month. I think it's more fair than anything especially since no player actually matters that much. If Manziel had decided that college football didn't pay enough and just worked out for 3 years there would have been no noticeable difference. Maybe Texas A&M is worse but who cares?

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It's not. Everyone understands that college football players aren't slaves. But they are being used by others to generate vast incomes with little compensation. In that regard the comparison is completely germane.

What I'd like you (and others) to stop is saying "participation is completely voluntary". So is participation at your workplace but that doesn't mean your boss and all the other bosses of companies that would employ workers with your skillset are entitled to reduce wages for your position to a minimal amount and say, "If you don't like it, go elsewhere". It's an abuse of power. I'm not sure why so many people are so resentful toward young men standing up and using the power they have.

It's as if people accept obscene use of power by the established and the wealthy but can't abide it when the small and weak band together to combat it. The irony being that most of those protesting are also small and weak.

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They are part of the system but they aren't really generating vast incomes. The system is. The system at Texas A&M moves on next year and probably makes them just as much money.
Sure they can. Then, another company can step up, get all the talent, and do even better by taking advantage of this market efficiency. There just isn't any value there. Yeah, the colleges "make millions" but that happens regardless of any player. Penn State can't even play in a national title game or a bowl game and they are still making millions.

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This is silly. The money making programs have the best players. Replace them with scrubs and they would make no money. The players are the cause of the money.

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They are compensated with scholarships that can be worth nearly $200,000 over four years.

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With a fresh group of unpaid laborers.

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