Sterling Sharpe
Antonio Freeman
Donald Driver
Javon Walker
Gregg Jennings

Does this not show you, Nas?

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After everyone except Sterling Sharpe. They were good because of Favre and if I recall Walker only played about a year with Favre at the end of his career with the Packers.

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I'm usually right?

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He had the best defense in the league the year he won his only Super Bowl.

You're also underestimating his skill position guys. They were good.

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Of course not. But Seattle D could've been beat yesterday. They aren't some unstoppable force. Peyton played right into their gameplan.

You are in agreement with Hawg.

Think about that.

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So, they are only good because of Favre. Same thing with Brady. But Manning's receivers were great in spite of him? That is your argument?

Highly doubtful. It would have taken a masterful offensive game plan. Not just a different QB.

Your boy Kap would have had the best chance

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I know it's a team sport, but at some point you have to take some credit away from Manning for being pretty average to bad in all games with Championship in the title

Yes, I hate the guy but he's done a good job. Say it doesn't rain in Seattle I think Brees has a good chance of winning.

Astounding the little weight given to his Super Bowl appearances for those who claim he is Elite. And his 1 win, against the worst QB performance in a SB ever.

That Bears team, while Good, was such a weak super bowl team. Lovies lay back D, which I have ripped in many threads way before this.

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The way the Dolphins beat the 85 Bears was Marino rolling out which he almost never did.

Not sure Manning can even Rollout, but they might have wanted to try something at the half being shutout.

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Harrison was great before Manning and Reggie Wayne is still a stud. Edgerrin James was a stud too. He's had HoF players to throw the ball to. None of the guys you listed are HoF players. Favre never played with anywhere near the talent he currently has. That really isn't debatable.

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He couldn't have played any better in this year's AFC championship game and was great in the 2006 AFC championship game as well.

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And then there are the other 6 games


I shouldnt have said ALL. Should have said overall.

Yes some of the players he played with were good. Most NFL rosters have at least a few good players on both sides of the ball. However when you look at HoF QB's you usually see at least 1 HoF receiver that they played with for a chunk of his career. Donald Driver was probably the best guy Favre had and he wasn't elite.

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Not many even have the chance to become Elite. yes, Peyton was at the door. He just didnt get in.

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Pick whatever statistics you want. Jim Kelly won't match up on any of them. He only had two years in his whole career that even look comparable to what Manning did almost every single year.

Warner and Kelly don't even deserve to be mentioned here.

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I'm in agreement with you on that. While Manning appears to find the worst times to be bad he better than both. I don't know of anyone who has a better understanding of the game than he does. He's a coach on the field. He's probably a better offensive coordinator than half the league right now.

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I cannot believe how many people regard Elway as top 3 or even the best ever at that position.

He is the best ever IMO. Not having him in your top 5 makes me question any of your football opinions.

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yes you've ripped on those defenses, but your arguments haven't always been persuasive. Your sentiments just don't match the numbers, sort of like this Manning argument. Nitpicking on strength of opponents in championship games just isn't a strong argument, and not only because it ignores the opponents you had to beat to get to that game in the first place. Superbowl winners, after sixteen violent games and 2-3 do or die tournament games against the best of the best, earn that win, irrespective of opponent.

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Your letting your adolescent love of Elway cloud your judgment

He's not #1. No way.

That is the only thing that keeps Manning out of being the clear #1 QB of all time. It has huge weight because over a career no one has been better than Peyton Manning. If you start to weigh the playoffs and Super Bowl performances more, he drops down but so do a lot of other quarterbacks while you really only prop up Brady and Montana. Marino disappears, Elway falls just as far, Favre falls down too.

Basically, every other quarterback in NFL history either doesn't have a comparable total resume to Manning, or if they do they were similarly unremarkable in the playoffs besides Montana and Brady(and Brady is really living off his early results).

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denver beat some Weak teams to get in.

San Diego barely made the playoffs and a broken down New England team. Your request to point out who Denver beat to get to the Super Bowl weakens your arguement.

Same as the Bears making it to the Super Bowl. They beat some weak teams that year to make it.

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I'm saying it's irrelevant. You beat the team in front of you and move on. Every win is earned. Denver's division included two other playoff teams by the way. But it still doesn't matter. Guys shouldn't be penalized for beating teams that they had no say in choosing.

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When is everyone going to start putting Peyton's numbers in context? He's played in the most offensive friendly era in NFL history and he's had more offensive talent than any QB over the past 15 to 20 years.

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