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Happy @baseballpro #PECOTA day. For #Cubs, it likes Rizzo, Castro, Wood. Not Samardzija, however. Projects 71-91, .246/.304/.392.


Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 10m
#PECOTA on #WhiteSox likes Sale, Ramirez, Quintana. Sounds alarm bells on Abreu, A.Garcia. Projects 75-87, .251/.315/.397. @baseballpro




And just to piss off JORR specifically....

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@dan_bernstein anytime you wanna take a kid, I may have unused tickets.

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@LinBrehmer Thanks. I may take you up on that when Baez and/or Bryant arrive.
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Now how in the hell do they make any kind of semi reliable prediction on Abreu?

Our metrics are not to be used as predictors of the future but feel free to use them as predictors of the future.

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Now how in the hell do they make any kind of semi reliable prediction on Abreu?

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good dolphin wrote:
Now how in the hell do they make any kind of semi reliable prediction on Abreu?

Our metrics are not to be used as predictors of the future but feel free to use them as predictors of the future.

Because Math


That's not right. It's not "math". If you were flying to Mars and the engineers sending you there were using franken-calculations similar to PECOTA to get you there, would you be comfortable?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Now how in the hell do they make any kind of semi reliable prediction on Abreu?

Our metrics are not to be used as predictors of the future but feel free to use them as predictors of the future.

Because Math


That's not right. It's not "math". If you were flying to Mars and the engineers sending you there were using franken-calculations similar to PECOTA to get you there, would you be comfortable?

I was joking. These projections are only slightly better than newspaper guys just guessing.


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@LinBrehmer Thanks. I may take you up on that when Baez and/or Bryant arrive.
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I'm a little disturbed that Lin Brehmwr makes enough money to be able to afford season tickets for 2 people. 150k/year ?

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:lol:

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:lol: :lol: Yep.

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I'm a little disturbed that Lin Brehmwr makes enough money to be able to afford season tickets for 2 people. 150k/year ?


He's been there forever and he gets good ratings. I'm sure he makes well above 150. Tom Marker was making low six figures before Zimmerman fired/re-hired him. And yeah, on that note, I bet Rod Zimmerman makes more money than anyone on the air, and he's never contributed anything to this world but firing people. That's what should disturb you.

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I'm a little disturbed that Lin Brehmwr makes enough money to be able to afford season tickets for 2 people. 150k/year ?


He's been there forever and he gets good ratings. I'm sure he makes well above 150. Tom Marker was making low six figures before Zimmerman fired/re-hired him. And yeah, on that note, I bet Rod Zimmerman makes more money than anyone on the air, and he's never contributed anything to this world but firing people. That's what should disturb you.
Well, there are worse Zimmermans in this world.

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Debatable. Both would seem to favor a laissez-faire attitude toward on-air racism and slurping the wealthy, but at least George might shell out for new computers.

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Debatable. Both would seem to favor a laissez-faire attitude toward on-air racism and slurping the wealthy, but at least George might shell out for new computers.

It's a lot of pressure on a person when their parents name them "Rod"


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I'm a little disturbed that Lin Brehmwr makes enough money to be able to afford season tickets for 2 people. 150k/year ?

Puts his money where his fandom is instead of mooching tickets of STH friends, station, club execs. Tip of the cap.


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Curious Hair wrote:
Debatable. Both would seem to favor a laissez-faire attitude toward on-air racism and slurping the wealthy, but at least George might shell out for new computers.

It's a lot of pressure on a person when their parents name them "Rod"


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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:lol:

100% Cubs fan.


Actually, That's a North Shore Sox fan. The guy who loves to proclaim his Sox love as if this symbolizes he is some sort of rebel amongst those he grew up with who are cubs fans. Especially danny B's Era of the Sox spending 5 years on private pay per view TV (which he MIGHT have had) v The cubs on Free TV every "day" from probably dannys 7th to 12th b day.

Ever heard danny up in the booth with Harry that his dad bought him at an auction when he was a kid? or how he imitates the vendors from the bleachers back in the 80's? yeah, Die Hard Sox fan my ass. No way Db was even allowed to head down to Comiskey until he was 21! :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Now how in the hell do they make any kind of semi reliable prediction on Abreu?

Our metrics are not to be used as predictors of the future but feel free to use them as predictors of the future.

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That's not right. It's not "math". If you were flying to Mars and the engineers sending you there were using franken-calculations similar to PECOTA to get you there, would you be comfortable?


Depends on if there were bucket seats.

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wonder what they see that puts the Brewers above the Pirates?

Not seeing that.

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Did something happen to the Pirates I'm not aware of? Why are they going back under .500 this year?

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wonder what they see that puts the Brewers above the Pirates?

Not seeing that.

Ryan Braun. Matt Garza?


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Did something happen to the Pirates I'm not aware of? Why are they going back under .500 this year?

Andrew McCutchen got engaged.

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They lost quite a bit of production


Pittsburgh Pirates
2013 results: 94-68 (.580), 2nd place NL Central, lost Division Series (Hot Stove Preview)
Key departures: 1B Justin Morneau, RF Marlon Byrd, 1B/OF Garrett Jones, C John Buck, C Michael McKenry, RHP A.J. Burnett* (* = free agent, still unsigned)
Key arrivals: RHP Edinson Volquez, C Chris Stewart

Well, this has been disappointing. Coming off a franchise-altering season which brought Pittsburgh its first winning record and playoff berth since 1992, the Pirates have reverted to being non-factors this offseason, failing to upgrade their roster in any obvious way. In fact, several key pieces have already departed, and more may be yet to come. Rightfiedler Marlon Byrd and first baseman Justin Morneau, two key late-season additions, have already left via free agency, and A.J. Burnett, who led the team in innings pitched last season, could soon do the same.

The biggest new name is Edinson Volquez, who was signed to a one-year deal worth $5 million. Volquez has put up a 5.09 ERA (71 ERA+) while walking 4.8 men per nine innings over the last three years with the Reds, Padres and Dodgers. The Pirates are clearly hoping that pitching coach Ray Searage can have the same success with Volquez that he had last year with Francisco Liriano, who went from posting a 5.23 ERA (79 ERA+) and walking five men per nine innings in the two years before joining the Pirates to walking just 3.5 per nine and posting a 3.02 ERA (117 ERA+) with Pittsburgh last year. That kind of attempt to catch lightning in a bottle might have been compelling as an afterthought to an otherwise successful offseason, but as the team’s largest expenditure this offseason, it’s disconcerting.

The only other free agent the Pirates have signed to a major league contract this offseason is Clint Barmes, whom they re-upped for $2 million to provide a slick-fielding backup to sophomore Jordy Mercer, reuniting the shortstop duo that hit a combined .250/.295/.375 last year.

Pittsburgh’s offseason has admittedly been complicated by Burnett, who initially said he would either retire or re-sign with the Bucs only to have the news come out last week that he was not only going to play in 2014 but was going to listen to offers from other teams. Burnett is no ace, but he has been the anchor of the Pirates’ rotation over the last two years, averaging 197 innings pitched while striking out nearly a man per inning and posting a 107 ERA+ in both seasons.

As currently comprised, the Pittsburgh rotation, while talented, contains few sure things, from sophomore Gerrit Cole coming off a 52-inning increase and heading into his first full major league season; to Charlie Morton hoping to make 30 starts for the first time in his career at age 30 and two years removed from Tommy John surgery; to Liriano and Volquez; to Wandy Rodriguez attempting to come back from a forearm strain that ended his 2013 season in early June; to Jeff Locke coming off a brutal second half in which he went 1-4 with a 7.25 ERA in his final 10 starts.

However, Burnett’s indecision is no excuse for the Pirates’ inaction. Their 2013 season was supposed to be the start of a new era of winning baseball in Pittsburgh, not just a one-year fling with relevance.

Unfinished business: First base, rightfield

The Pirates knew they needed upgrades at these positions. That’s why they went out and got Byrd and Morneau in August. Yet, here we are in February and the only first-basemen on the team’s 40-man roster are Gaby Sanchez and Chris McGuiness. McGuiness, who was acquired from the Rangers this offseason in a minor trade for righty reliever Miles Mikolas and will be 26 in April, made his Triple A debut in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League last year and hit .246/.369/.423.

As for rightfield, the Bucs have reverted back to Jose Tabata and Travis Snider, having added only Jaff Decker, a former Padres prospect acquired with Mikolas for minor league outfielder Alex Dickerson in November, and veteran quadruple-A journeyman Chris Dickerson, the latter on a minor league contract. Decker won’t be 24 until later this month and has a career .402 on-base percentage across 2,282 plate appearances in the minors, and Dickerson, a .264/.341/.423 hitter in 607 major league plate appearances against righthanded pitching who offers speed and defense, has long been underappreciated. Neither, however, profiles as a regular rightfielder on a playoff team from the National League’s strongest division.

Kendrys Morales and Nelson Cruz are still available. Both are poor fielders who will cost the Pirates a draft pick, but Pittsburgh will be hard pressed to find sufficient upgrades elsewhere at this late date.

Preliminary grade: F

Here’s what I wrote about the Pirates in November’s Hot Stove Preview:

As they proved with the additions of Byrd, Morneau and Russell Martin, and the March 2012 extension for Andrew McCutchen, the organization is willing to expand payroll to get and remain in contention. Its fans have then rewarded those decisions with increased attendance, which has thus increased revenues. It’s a very positive cycle, but it’s now the organization’s turn to keep that wheel spinning by adding the bats necessary to keep Pittsburgh in contention in 2014.
The Pirates have very clearly failed to hold up their end of the bargain this winter.


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Oh boy, thinking SHARK is going to be barely above a replacement level player. I can see not loving him, but that's as bearish as a prediction as you'll see on him.

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They lost quite a bit of production


Pittsburgh Pirates
2013 results: 94-68 (.580), 2nd place NL Central, lost Division Series (Hot Stove Preview)
Key departures: 1B Justin Morneau, RF Marlon Byrd, 1B/OF Garrett Jones, C John Buck, C Michael McKenry, RHP A.J. Burnett* (* = free agent, still unsigned)
Key arrivals: RHP Edinson Volquez, C Chris Stewart

Well, this has been disappointing. Coming off a franchise-altering season which brought Pittsburgh its first winning record and playoff berth since 1992, the Pirates have reverted to being non-factors this offseason, failing to upgrade their roster in any obvious way. In fact, several key pieces have already departed, and more may be yet to come. Rightfiedler Marlon Byrd and first baseman Justin Morneau, two key late-season additions, have already left via free agency, and A.J. Burnett, who led the team in innings pitched last season, could soon do the same.

The biggest new name is Edinson Volquez, who was signed to a one-year deal worth $5 million. Volquez has put up a 5.09 ERA (71 ERA+) while walking 4.8 men per nine innings over the last three years with the Reds, Padres and Dodgers. The Pirates are clearly hoping that pitching coach Ray Searage can have the same success with Volquez that he had last year with Francisco Liriano, who went from posting a 5.23 ERA (79 ERA+) and walking five men per nine innings in the two years before joining the Pirates to walking just 3.5 per nine and posting a 3.02 ERA (117 ERA+) with Pittsburgh last year. That kind of attempt to catch lightning in a bottle might have been compelling as an afterthought to an otherwise successful offseason, but as the team’s largest expenditure this offseason, it’s disconcerting.

The only other free agent the Pirates have signed to a major league contract this offseason is Clint Barmes, whom they re-upped for $2 million to provide a slick-fielding backup to sophomore Jordy Mercer, reuniting the shortstop duo that hit a combined .250/.295/.375 last year.

Pittsburgh’s offseason has admittedly been complicated by Burnett, who initially said he would either retire or re-sign with the Bucs only to have the news come out last week that he was not only going to play in 2014 but was going to listen to offers from other teams. Burnett is no ace, but he has been the anchor of the Pirates’ rotation over the last two years, averaging 197 innings pitched while striking out nearly a man per inning and posting a 107 ERA+ in both seasons.

As currently comprised, the Pittsburgh rotation, while talented, contains few sure things, from sophomore Gerrit Cole coming off a 52-inning increase and heading into his first full major league season; to Charlie Morton hoping to make 30 starts for the first time in his career at age 30 and two years removed from Tommy John surgery; to Liriano and Volquez; to Wandy Rodriguez attempting to come back from a forearm strain that ended his 2013 season in early June; to Jeff Locke coming off a brutal second half in which he went 1-4 with a 7.25 ERA in his final 10 starts.

However, Burnett’s indecision is no excuse for the Pirates’ inaction. Their 2013 season was supposed to be the start of a new era of winning baseball in Pittsburgh, not just a one-year fling with relevance.

Unfinished business: First base, rightfield

The Pirates knew they needed upgrades at these positions. That’s why they went out and got Byrd and Morneau in August. Yet, here we are in February and the only first-basemen on the team’s 40-man roster are Gaby Sanchez and Chris McGuiness. McGuiness, who was acquired from the Rangers this offseason in a minor trade for righty reliever Miles Mikolas and will be 26 in April, made his Triple A debut in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League last year and hit .246/.369/.423.

As for rightfield, the Bucs have reverted back to Jose Tabata and Travis Snider, having added only Jaff Decker, a former Padres prospect acquired with Mikolas for minor league outfielder Alex Dickerson in November, and veteran quadruple-A journeyman Chris Dickerson, the latter on a minor league contract. Decker won’t be 24 until later this month and has a career .402 on-base percentage across 2,282 plate appearances in the minors, and Dickerson, a .264/.341/.423 hitter in 607 major league plate appearances against righthanded pitching who offers speed and defense, has long been underappreciated. Neither, however, profiles as a regular rightfielder on a playoff team from the National League’s strongest division.

Kendrys Morales and Nelson Cruz are still available. Both are poor fielders who will cost the Pirates a draft pick, but Pittsburgh will be hard pressed to find sufficient upgrades elsewhere at this late date.

Preliminary grade: F

Here’s what I wrote about the Pirates in November’s Hot Stove Preview:

As they proved with the additions of Byrd, Morneau and Russell Martin, and the March 2012 extension for Andrew McCutchen, the organization is willing to expand payroll to get and remain in contention. Its fans have then rewarded those decisions with increased attendance, which has thus increased revenues. It’s a very positive cycle, but it’s now the organization’s turn to keep that wheel spinning by adding the bats necessary to keep Pittsburgh in contention in 2014.
The Pirates have very clearly failed to hold up their end of the bargain this winter.


Morneau and Byrd were on the team for two months.


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Yeah but all the Pirate's kids are coming up as their plan scheduled. :lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
They lost quite a bit of production


Pittsburgh Pirates
2013 results: 94-68 (.580), 2nd place NL Central, lost Division Series (Hot Stove Preview)
Key departures: 1B Justin Morneau, RF Marlon Byrd, 1B/OF Garrett Jones, C John Buck, C Michael McKenry, RHP A.J. Burnett* (* = free agent, still unsigned)
Key arrivals: RHP Edinson Volquez, C Chris Stewart

Well, this has been disappointing. Coming off a franchise-altering season which brought Pittsburgh its first winning record and playoff berth since 1992, the Pirates have reverted to being non-factors this offseason, failing to upgrade their roster in any obvious way. In fact, several key pieces have already departed, and more may be yet to come. Rightfiedler Marlon Byrd and first baseman Justin Morneau, two key late-season additions, have already left via free agency, and A.J. Burnett, who led the team in innings pitched last season, could soon do the same.

The biggest new name is Edinson Volquez, who was signed to a one-year deal worth $5 million. Volquez has put up a 5.09 ERA (71 ERA+) while walking 4.8 men per nine innings over the last three years with the Reds, Padres and Dodgers. The Pirates are clearly hoping that pitching coach Ray Searage can have the same success with Volquez that he had last year with Francisco Liriano, who went from posting a 5.23 ERA (79 ERA+) and walking five men per nine innings in the two years before joining the Pirates to walking just 3.5 per nine and posting a 3.02 ERA (117 ERA+) with Pittsburgh last year. That kind of attempt to catch lightning in a bottle might have been compelling as an afterthought to an otherwise successful offseason, but as the team’s largest expenditure this offseason, it’s disconcerting.

The only other free agent the Pirates have signed to a major league contract this offseason is Clint Barmes, whom they re-upped for $2 million to provide a slick-fielding backup to sophomore Jordy Mercer, reuniting the shortstop duo that hit a combined .250/.295/.375 last year.

Pittsburgh’s offseason has admittedly been complicated by Burnett, who initially said he would either retire or re-sign with the Bucs only to have the news come out last week that he was not only going to play in 2014 but was going to listen to offers from other teams. Burnett is no ace, but he has been the anchor of the Pirates’ rotation over the last two years, averaging 197 innings pitched while striking out nearly a man per inning and posting a 107 ERA+ in both seasons.

As currently comprised, the Pittsburgh rotation, while talented, contains few sure things, from sophomore Gerrit Cole coming off a 52-inning increase and heading into his first full major league season; to Charlie Morton hoping to make 30 starts for the first time in his career at age 30 and two years removed from Tommy John surgery; to Liriano and Volquez; to Wandy Rodriguez attempting to come back from a forearm strain that ended his 2013 season in early June; to Jeff Locke coming off a brutal second half in which he went 1-4 with a 7.25 ERA in his final 10 starts.

However, Burnett’s indecision is no excuse for the Pirates’ inaction. Their 2013 season was supposed to be the start of a new era of winning baseball in Pittsburgh, not just a one-year fling with relevance.

Unfinished business: First base, rightfield

The Pirates knew they needed upgrades at these positions. That’s why they went out and got Byrd and Morneau in August. Yet, here we are in February and the only first-basemen on the team’s 40-man roster are Gaby Sanchez and Chris McGuiness. McGuiness, who was acquired from the Rangers this offseason in a minor trade for righty reliever Miles Mikolas and will be 26 in April, made his Triple A debut in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League last year and hit .246/.369/.423.

As for rightfield, the Bucs have reverted back to Jose Tabata and Travis Snider, having added only Jaff Decker, a former Padres prospect acquired with Mikolas for minor league outfielder Alex Dickerson in November, and veteran quadruple-A journeyman Chris Dickerson, the latter on a minor league contract. Decker won’t be 24 until later this month and has a career .402 on-base percentage across 2,282 plate appearances in the minors, and Dickerson, a .264/.341/.423 hitter in 607 major league plate appearances against righthanded pitching who offers speed and defense, has long been underappreciated. Neither, however, profiles as a regular rightfielder on a playoff team from the National League’s strongest division.

Kendrys Morales and Nelson Cruz are still available. Both are poor fielders who will cost the Pirates a draft pick, but Pittsburgh will be hard pressed to find sufficient upgrades elsewhere at this late date.

Preliminary grade: F

Here’s what I wrote about the Pirates in November’s Hot Stove Preview:

As they proved with the additions of Byrd, Morneau and Russell Martin, and the March 2012 extension for Andrew McCutchen, the organization is willing to expand payroll to get and remain in contention. Its fans have then rewarded those decisions with increased attendance, which has thus increased revenues. It’s a very positive cycle, but it’s now the organization’s turn to keep that wheel spinning by adding the bats necessary to keep Pittsburgh in contention in 2014.
The Pirates have very clearly failed to hold up their end of the bargain this winter.


Morneau and Byrd were on the team for two months.

Those two months count. Byrd especially.

You have to replace those guys.


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Lil Danny talking Pecota makes my head explode. Easy no listen day.


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Well that explains that. Thank you.

Byrd w/ 115 plate appearances w/ Pittsburgh, OPS .843, BA .318, Slugging .486 .... his supplier probably got a nice Christmas basket.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:16 pm 
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well, Terry is apparently phoning it in today...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:32 pm 
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so dan reads these dumb pekota projections and asks terry what do you think... terry responds with umms and weird noises and then gives his 1 sentence approval (which he'll repeat verbatim 2 more times after initially saying it)


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