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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:14 pm 
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I get it, just seems rough. Very sad to me.


What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?

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Spaulding wrote:
I get it, just seems rough. Very sad to me.


What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?

Are you on drugs?

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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I get it, just seems rough. Very sad to me.


What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?


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:lol: :lol: Even if you were committing a crime? I love some of my friends but the only people I'm taking a bullet for are my kids.


He didn't shoot the other 2 as they were standing there or running away. I don't know if they will get caught or not, but really, think about leaving one of your friends as they are dying.

No honor among thieves , young lady.

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I get it, just seems rough. Very sad to me.


What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?


Gay Sex?

Well... how gay are we talking here?

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Spaulding wrote:
I get it, just seems rough. Very sad to me.


What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?


Gay Sex?

Well... how gay are we talking here?


I think Mini Ditka is getting to the bottom of this.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
What's worse: Innocent man shot or criminal shot?
What if the innocent man was a homosexual? He's not so innocent then is he?!

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If that is the case, the bad guy should rob somebody where security cameras aren't everywhere on the property.

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/02/12/mother-of-armed-robber-doesnt-blame-officer-for-shooting-her-son/

WRONG!

She hates him...

“To the correctional officer. I don’t have no hate in my heart, for what he did,” Stevens said.. “He was out doing a criminal act.”

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/02/12/mother-of-armed-robber-doesnt-blame-officer-for-shooting-her-son/

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/02/12/mother-of-armed-robber-doesnt-blame-officer-for-shooting-her-son/

WRONG!

She hates him...

“To the correctional officer. I don’t have no hate in my heart, for what he did,” Stevens said.. “He was out doing a criminal act.”

She annoyed the hell out of me.

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Both shakes and myself owe this lady an apology. A failure as a parent ,yes, but at least she's sort of owning it.

Tonia Stevens lost her 16-year-old son Monday night, when he was shot and killed by an off-duty police officer. She said she wanted her son “to go the straight route,” but he’d been in trouble with the law for years, so she doesn’t blame the officer for shooting her child.
Deonta Dwight Mackey died after he held an off-duty Cook County Sheriff’s sergeant at gunpoint while the officer was pumping gas at a Citgo on the South Side.
CBS 2′s Suzanne Le Mignot spoke exclusively with his mother in this Original Report.
“To the correctional officer. I don’t have no hate in my heart, for what he did,” Stevens said.. “He was out doing a criminal act.”
“I’m not one of those parents. I’m not. Everybody knows me. I’m not one of those parents. I promote fairness,” she added.
Tonia Stevens says she doesn’t blame the off duty Cook County Sheriff’s Office sergeant who shot and killed her son, Deonta Dewight Mackey.
Surveillance video shows Mackey holding the sergeant up at gunpoint and demanding his wallet during an attempted car-jacking.
“I did the best I could for him. I wanted him to go the straight route. He was just determined to go and hang, with this crowd,” said Stevens.
Stevens says her son had been in trouble with the law since the age of eleven for everything from assault to cannabis possession and robbery. She also says a 2010 battle with meningitis, a bacterial brain infection, nearly killed the 16-year-old and changed his behavior completely.
This past Thursday, he finished a month-long house arrest for an alleged robbery. Four days later, he was carrying out this crime, caught on tape.
Stevens says her son had many mentors in his life, including Carlos Estes. Estes was getting Mackey into an alternative school after the teen was expelled, allowing him to have a lot of time on the streets.
“Had a lot to do with peer pressure and wanting to be a part of and belonging to a group of individuals,” said Estes.
“It’s just sad that the peer pressure is winning the streets,” said Stevens.
As for the two young men who were with her son and ran from the scene, Stevens says, if they don’t want to follow the same path her son did, they need to turn their lives around, and turn themselves in.
Police are interviewing a person of interest in the armed robbery.



So you get meningitis which nearly kills you and it changes your life to make you want to stick guns in peoples faces? I would think you/d be grateful to be alive but hey, Im nutty like that.


Edit: Sorry Nas, didn't see your update.

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Nas wrote:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/02/12/mother-of-armed-robber-doesnt-blame-officer-for-shooting-her-son/

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Whoa, lets not get crazy here pally. :wink:

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badrogue17 wrote:
I would think you/d be grateful to be alive but hey, Im nutty like that.


Edit: Sorry Nas, didn't see your update.

Maybe the brush with death reminded him that life is short?


I dont know. I dont feel any better with the mother saying he was a bad kid.


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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.

A Far South Side teenager was ordered held in lieu of $1 million bail Thursday on murder and robbery charges tied to a botched hold up that left his alleged gun-toting accomplice dead.

Devante Graham was charged with his cohort’s death based on the theory of accountability after an off-duty Cook County sheriff’s sergeant killed a teen when he was robbed by the younger men Monday night at a Citgo gas station in the 700 block of East 103rd, authorities said.

The officer was pumping gas when Graham, 17, Deonta Mackey, and a third person approached and surrounded him, Assistant Cook County State’s Attorney Claire Savaglio said.

Armed with a 9 mm semi automatic gun, Mackey, 16, threatened the officer’s life, and demanded he turn over his money and everything from his pockets, Savaglio said.

Graham, who had his hands in his pockets, further motioned for the officer to hurry up, Savaglio said.

The officer gave Mackey money and gum while the third offender allegedly went into the officer’s car and started rummaging through the glove box.

At that point, Mackey, still pointing his gun at the officer, asked him to give him his wallet and car keys.

That’s when the officer reached into his pockets, grabbed his gun and shot Mackey.

Once the shots were fired, Graham and the other person fled, Savaglio said.

The entire incident was captured on nearby video surveillance cameras and the officer identified Graham as one of the men in the trio who robbed him, Savaglio said.

After the shooting, many Chicago Public School students told authorities that Graham, and the uncharged co-offender had posted pictures of themselves with guns on Facebook, Savaglio said.

Upon further investigation, detectives learned that one of the weapons in the pictures was used in the deadly robbery, Savaglio said.

The weapon has been recovered.

Graham, who turned himself into police, is a student at Corliss High School, according to his attorney Donna A. Rotunno.

Outside of court, Rotunno said prosecutors are relying mostly on circumstantial evidence against her client.

“All they have is the video we have all seen,” she said.

Graham, of the 10300 block of South Corliss, was found delinquent as a juvenile for aggravated battery in 2010 and for criminal damage to property in 2011.

The third suspect remains at large.

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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.


If I'm not mistaken, when a death occurs during the commission of a felony, it is considered a murder.

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I doubt anyone will shed any tears for this kid, but a murder rap is some bullshit...

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I dunno seems to me a fairly easy way to avoid a murder rap is don't participate when your buddy suggests sticking a gun in someone's face . Would u still feel the same if it were the cop who ended up dead?

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I dunno seems to me a fairly easy way to avoid a murder rap is don't participate when your buddy suggests sticking a gun in someone's face . Would u still feel the same if it were the cop who ended up dead?

:lol: No, cuz that would be straight up murder.

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There should be a different definition for this type of charge.


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I wonder if he'll turn the 3rd guy in. He might get a good deal. He stood there with his hands in his pockets and turned himself in.


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Both shakes and myself owe this lady an apology. A failure as a parent ,yes, but at least she's sort of owning it.

Tonia Stevens lost her 16-year-old son Monday night, when he was shot and killed by an off-duty police officer. She said she wanted her son “to go the straight route,” but he’d been in trouble with the law for years, so she doesn’t blame the officer for shooting her child.
Deonta Dwight Mackey died after he held an off-duty Cook County Sheriff’s sergeant at gunpoint while the officer was pumping gas at a Citgo on the South Side.
CBS 2′s Suzanne Le Mignot spoke exclusively with his mother in this Original Report.
“To the correctional officer. I don’t have no hate in my heart, for what he did,” Stevens said.. “He was out doing a criminal act.”
“I’m not one of those parents. I’m not. Everybody knows me. I’m not one of those parents. I promote fairness,” she added.
Tonia Stevens says she doesn’t blame the off duty Cook County Sheriff’s Office sergeant who shot and killed her son, Deonta Dewight Mackey.
Surveillance video shows Mackey holding the sergeant up at gunpoint and demanding his wallet during an attempted car-jacking.
“I did the best I could for him. I wanted him to go the straight route. He was just determined to go and hang, with this crowd,” said Stevens.
Stevens says her son had been in trouble with the law since the age of eleven for everything from assault to cannabis possession and robbery. She also says a 2010 battle with meningitis, a bacterial brain infection, nearly killed the 16-year-old and changed his behavior completely.
This past Thursday, he finished a month-long house arrest for an alleged robbery. Four days later, he was carrying out this crime, caught on tape.
Stevens says her son had many mentors in his life, including Carlos Estes. Estes was getting Mackey into an alternative school after the teen was expelled, allowing him to have a lot of time on the streets.
“Had a lot to do with peer pressure and wanting to be a part of and belonging to a group of individuals,” said Estes.
“It’s just sad that the peer pressure is winning the streets,” said Stevens.
As for the two young men who were with her son and ran from the scene, Stevens says, if they don’t want to follow the same path her son did, they need to turn their lives around, and turn themselves in.
Police are interviewing a person of interest in the armed robbery.



So you get meningitis which nearly kills you and it changes your life to make you want to stick guns in peoples faces? I would think you/d be grateful to be alive but hey, Im nutty like that.


Edit: Sorry Nas, didn't see your update.


I thought she was full of shit and annoying. She's a bad mother and someone should get the word to her that she looked like a clown.

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I think its not that so much as a lot of us are against dumbass muggers.



Right, but the only reason the victim was able to do what he did was because he was armed, no?


The kid was 16 years old. He wasn't carrying legally. Someone with a concealed Carry permit (Oh yeah, I'm getting mine, should be very soon) has to be of age, have a valid FOID card and pass a background check. This was just a young criminal , illegally carrying a weapon in the commission of a crime. The good news is he will never do it again. The Sgt. that shot the gun-toting punk was smart not to shoot the other 2 running away. As much as they were involved in the armed robbery attempt, they were not armed and shooting them would have been a problem. He handled it perfectly.

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I don't think I could leave my friend to die on the ground of a gas station. I don't know what I'd do, but I hope I wouldn't.


I would hope you would choose better friends and not be with someone who had expressed the desire to go rob someone and had been posting photos of himself with guns on Facebook. The only time someone has to worry about making a choice concerning what to do after their friend is shot, is after making the choice to be friends with someone who is willing to commit armed robbery and then making the choice to be in the company of that friend when they choose to go commit an armed robbery.

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I would hope you would choose better friends and not be with someone who had expressed the desire to go rob someone and had been posting photos of himself with guns on Facebook. The only time someone has to worry about making a choice concerning what to do after their friend is shot, is after making the choice to be friends with someone who is willing to commit armed robbery and then making the choice to be in the company of that friend when they choose to go commit an armed robbery.


I have, but I also have had a lot more opportunities, options, and a better foundation on which to build.


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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.


If I'm not mistaken, when a death occurs during the commission of a felony, it is considered a murder.


Technically the charge is felony murder. When a death occurs during the commission of a crime, anyone involved in the commission of the criminal act can then be charged for the homicide. Reasonable enough :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.


If I'm not mistaken, when a death occurs during the commission of a felony, it is considered a murder.

So that would be a "No" on you having any proof whatsoever that you are part of the "well regulated militia" that is referenced in the Second Amendment. Thanks.


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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.


If I'm not mistaken, when a death occurs during the commission of a felony, it is considered a murder.

So that would be a "No" on you having any proof whatsoever that you are part of the "well regulated militia" that is referenced in the Second Amendment. Thanks.

Thankfully the supreme court decided in Heller vs. DC and McDonald vs. Chicago that individuals are covered by the 2nd amendment and thus no proof of militia membership required. Thanks.

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Not sure how they can pin murder on this kid.


If I'm not mistaken, when a death occurs during the commission of a felony, it is considered a murder.

So that would be a "No" on you having any proof whatsoever that you are part of the "well regulated militia" that is referenced in the Second Amendment. Thanks.

Thankfully the supreme court decided in Heller vs. DC and McDonald vs. Chicago that individuals are covered by the 2nd amendment and thus no proof of militia membership required. Thanks.

I thought you had me on ignore. Did you miss me that much?

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