What? So he should be downgraded because he hustles every play? Give me a guy who hustles every play versus a "talented" player who doesn't. Results are what matter. You sound like Dan Bernstein.

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1. Gilmore
2. Boerwinkle
3. Noah?
4.?
5.?

Someone gonna give my guy Colby Deitrich some love? Corzine? cartwright...or my GUY...and he is 100% my guy LUC!!!!!!!

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A. Gilmore, C. Ray, T. Boerwinkle, B. Cartwright, D. Corzine, L. Longley? Better than all of them? I am not even sure he is better than Wennington. And I like Noah a lot.

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BF playing with 1 foot he was the primary reason the Bulls beat the Nets last season. It appeared that he took his game to another level too.

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Who cares if someone is more talented but the results don't show it? That's a pointless argument. You could say Derrick Coleman was the best PF of all time if the results don't mean anything.

So he's not just as good in the playoffs? Guess you missed Game 7 of the Brooklyn series last year.

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didnt downgrade him, his hustle is a huge part of his game and I am recognizing him for it....but I also recognize that the gap between him and others get smaller in the playoffs due to everyone trying harder, like he does.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Longley, Cartwright, and Wennington aren't even in the same stratosphere as Noah. Either you don't like Noah or you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

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Just gave the guy 3rd best Center.....not good enough?

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The RESULTS don't agree with you.

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LONGLEY, very very underrated. he could do everything Noah did.....and he had a better shot from 15 out....he was overshadowed on those teams.

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Give me a fucking break. He wasn't the rebounder, passer, or defender Noah was.

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Noah, irrespective of skin pigment and sport, is "grindy".

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I said I like Noah and no way he beats Cartwright. Noah at best is 5 that is all I will give.

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Yes he is. While he is not a good scorer he does everything else at a very high level.

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What's the argument that Cartwright is better than Noah? Seems like you're a non-NBA fan who leans far wrong on this issue.

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Just as good of a passer, better shooter....

Weaker rebounder, but was still good...Rodman took away a few rebounds,

And a weaker D player, didnt work on strength building the way Noah has...

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No he wasn't the passer Noah was. Basic stats, advanced metrics, and the eye test all favor Noah. At least you're not still saying he could do everything Noah could.

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Cartwright was a better offensive player in NY but he wasn't as good of a defender or passer in Chicago. Obviously he couldn't handle the ball the way Noah does either.

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Lol. For the guys that really remember the first 3 peat Cartwright was funny. Jackson must have wanted to get him going early so the games started pretty predictably. Pass into Bill. I used to call him the black hole because if you passed to him in the 1st quarter it was not coming back out.

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Holy shit. I expected pushback on this thread, but invoking Wennington, Purdue, and Longley? You guys do realize Noah was an All-Star, right? You also realize that he can defend at least 3 positions and is probably the best passing big man in the game? (or at least one of the top 3). Wow... unreal... I didn't think Pittmike's political thoughts could be trumped, but I stand corrected.

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Holy shit, are you high?

Joakim Noah can switch a screen and roll and effectively guard Lebron James on the perimeter. He has done so many times. You are saying Luc Longley could do this!?

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Cartwright's strength was his defense. Just because he didn't dive and flop on the court doesn't mean he wasn't a strong defender.

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I found it funny that so many people ignored your clearly stated criteria in the OP.

2x All Star, All Defensive 1st and 2nd team, and he's still improving every year.

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Actually rated by Krauss as best passing center when he was drafted and when the Bulls acquired him, by 2 NBA scouts, whom I will take their opinions over yours.

Now, I am not familar with Luc Longleys advanced metrics, but I am aware of how Luc was scouted and why he was acquired and the ability to see and pass in the Triangle offense was a huge factor in the deal.

Lets just say, I knew more about Luc, when he played college, when he was scouted, etc than you might ever know...and I am very aware his passing was a top reason.

Noah, does have very good interior passing skills. It is part of Thibbs offense. I think all the big guys pass more than most teams do in place of guards driving to the basket.

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I read his criteria, but the conclusion (3rd best Bull of all-time?) is a little crazy.

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Right, and Noah's strength, footwork, and anticipation are what makes him an All Defensive 1st team type of player. Who's talking about diving and flopping here? Nobody.

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He didn't say of all time. Read his criteria one more time.

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Again, I said 3rd best bull (based on career accomplishment) I've ever seen. This would mean anything past 1990. If you disagree, who do you have in front of him?

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Dont think I said it, even said Longley not the player Noah was on D.

can Noah hit a Jumper from 15-18 out? if not left almost 100% alone? NO,

Was Longley a better back to the basket offensive center, yes.

And before you and your army of "Ididnt really see him play" guys try to tell me Noah was better, he probably was on many teams. Longely fit perfectly into the team he was on, when you have a PF like Rodman who cleaned up boards, it allows you to have a center that can be part of your offensive flow.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yes he did. He's saying he's the 3rd best Bull based on career achievements. I'm assuming he means all the Bulls of all time and not just the current Bulls. Because if he means just the current Bulls, he's gonna get even more push back than this.

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