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"I think what will end up happening -- and this is my opinion, not that of the league -- is if the colleges don't change from the one-and-done, we'll go after the one," Cuban said. "The NCAA rules are so hypocritical, there's absolutely no reason for a kid to go [to college], because he's not going to class [and] he's actually not even able to take advantage of all the fun because the first semester he starts playing basketball. So if the goal is just to graduate to the NBA or be an NBA player, go to the D-League."

"We can get rid of all the hypocrisy and improve the education," Cuban said. "If the whole plan is just to go to college for one year maybe or just the first semester, that's not a student-athlete. That's ridiculous.

"You don't have to pretend. We don't have to pretend. A major college has to pretend that they're treating them like a student-athlete, and it's a big lie and we all know it's a big lie. At least at most schools, not all. ... But we can put more of an emphasis on their education. We can plan it out, have tutors. We can do all kinds of things that the NCAA doesn't allow schools to do that would really put the individual first."

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as much as mark cuban works on my nerves and is an obnoxious wrigleyville-like doucher...he's absolutely right. and his comments are spot on.


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an obnoxious wrigleyville-like doucher.


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Cuban
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as much as mark cuban works on my nerves and is an obnoxious wrigleyville-like doucher...he's absolutely right. and his comments are spot on.

I wish he owned the Cubs, Zacharias.

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as much as mark cuban works on my nerves and is an obnoxious wrigleyville-like doucher...he's absolutely right. and his comments are spot on.

I wish he owned the Cubs, Zacharias.

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Top notch guy, made his own luck many times over. Granted his Billions came from one deal, of which he hustled his ass off to get done, but the fact is he already had millions from another deal, that he rolled into billions. he made billions because he put all his own millions into the deal and only split it with one partner when they sold to YAHOO.

The guy talks the talk and backs it all up!

When he didnt get the cubs I wasnt as bummed as I am now that he didnt get the Cubs.

personally, I think he would have done a number of the same things Ricketts has done with the minors and the hierarchy. he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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as much as mark cuban works on my nerves and is an obnoxious wrigleyville-like doucher...he's absolutely right. and his comments are spot on.

I wish he owned the Cubs, Zacharias.


yeah me...me too. ::kicks dirt::


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I like Cuban. Stern hated him, which says a lot. He's not a mouthpiece. He speaks truth.

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he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.

Yeah, he would've payed them off. Instead of crying to the media about getting screwed, they'd be the biggest cheerleaders for the changes.


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I like Cuban.


oh you fucking communist.


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oh you fucking communist.


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personally, I think he would have done a number of the same things Ricketts has done with the minors and the hierarchy. he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.


I wonder if he wouldn't have moved them to the suburbs.

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If the NBA wanted the D-League to flourish all they would have to do is make it 21 to play in the NBA if you go to college and 19 if you play in the D-League. No one and done players would go to college as it would cost them 3 years of not getting paid.

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personally, I think he would have done a number of the same things Ricketts has done with the minors and the hierarchy. he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.


I wonder if he wouldn't have moved them to the suburbs.

I doubt it. I agree with Biggie. I think he would've kicked ass and taken names and got everything done in Wrigleyville.

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personally, I think he would have done a number of the same things Ricketts has done with the minors and the hierarchy. he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.


I wonder if he wouldn't have moved them to the suburbs.

I doubt it. I agree with Biggie. I think he would've kicked ass and taken names and got everything done in Wrigleyville.


At the end of the day the park is still a dump and day baseball makes it harder to win games. Is there anywhere else in the civilized world where men are pissing in a trough urinal?

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Top notch guy, made his own luck many times over. Granted his Billions came from one deal, of which he hustled his ass off to get done, but the fact is he already had millions from another deal, that he rolled into billions. he made billions because he put all his own millions into the deal and only split it with one partner when they sold to YAHOO.


1997: Google's founders hit up Yahoo! for $1 million in funding in exchange for a controlling interest in GOOGLE. Yahoo! says no.

1999: Yahoo! pays ~$6 bil for broadcast.com, which never makes them a dime and is now defunct.

2002: Google again talks to Yahoo! about Yahoo! acquiring Google. Google wants $5 billion (less than Yahoo paid for broadcast.com). Yahoo! counter-offers $3 billion. Deal doesn't happen.

2 years later, Google goes public and today has a market cap of around $500 billion.

Yahoo! today mostly exists to harass its workers into coming into the office and not having kids on the company's dime.


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The wisdom of it was that Cuban closed the deal before the dot com bubble burst.

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he readily admits he saw it coming and thats why they had a jet and flew from town to town cutting deals. he said, they would cut 3-4 deals a day, then would sleep on the plane.

I dont think Stern hated him, as he did allow him into the league, even when Jerry tried to drum up some bullshit reason to keep him out and is on record as the only vote against Cuban buying the Mavs.

What would have been the most interesting thing is if Ricketts didnt come along and then Zell didnt have another big money buyer for the cubs except cuban.

This would have been one of the epic battles. Reinsdorf stopping Zell from selling the Cubs to Cuban. WOW, this would have been something else.

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When he didnt get the cubs I wasnt as bummed as I am now that he didnt get the Cubs.

personally, I think he would have done a number of the same things Ricketts has done with the minors and the hierarchy. he just would have done it in 30 days and not 2 years and the Rooftop issue would have been done by now.


Couldn't have said it better.

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Reinsdorf and the other owners don't want young rebels like Cuban in their game, which is a big mistake.
I told you guys that Rickets can't afford the Cubs and here we are.

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It's ironic that Reinsdorf and Stern butted heads with him considering he is a Jewish business owner.

From his wikipedia page:
The surname "Cuban" was shortened from "Chabenisky" when his Russian grandparents landed on Ellis Island.

It's almost like the Donna Chang episode of Seinfeld.

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It's ironic that Reinsdorf and Stern butted heads with him considering he is a Jewish business owner.

FACT: Jewish business owners never have disputes with one another.

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It's ironic that Reinsdorf and Stern butted heads with him considering he is a Jewish business owner.

FACT: Jewish business owners never have disputes with one another.


It's not that, but I think Stern and Reinsdorf probably portrayed Cuban as someone who was different than them and in some cases probably looked down on him. However, they have more in common then maybe they realized.

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I dont think it is a secret that Jerry wants a salary cap in baseball. he got it in basketball, he got in the MLB draft and the international draft. Cuban is not a salary cap guy, he is far from it and thats why Reinsdorf doesnt want him in baseball and Jerry gets what he wants in baseball. He is chairman of the approval committee.

But lets all remember what Jerry did after he locked everyone out because he thought salaries were too high and he wanted a salary cap, but couldnt get one, first thing. Albert Belle for 4 or 5 years at $10 mill a year, just to shove it on the face of the owners who didnt agree with him. That was the biggest Sox contract for a long period of time and was BIG money when they signed him.

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How many more years do you think Jerry will be around? At 78 he's nearing the end. A lot of guys don't even make it to 70.

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It's ironic that Reinsdorf and Stern butted heads with him considering he is a Jewish business owner.


My goodness are you stupid.

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It's ironic that Reinsdorf and Stern butted heads with him considering he is a Jewish business owner.


My goodness are you stupid.


You would think, that when they set up shops on the same street they would cooperate. Jerrys fruit Stand, Davids Hardware store, Marks Butcher shop, should all get along.

1860 called....they want their push cart back!

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I'm a big Cuban fan, but he is way off here. The "one and done" rule is a problem caused, and desired by the NBA. The NCAA can't and shouldn't do anything about it. They can't force people to stay.

The NBA could stand up and say "If you go to college, you have to stay out of the NBA for 3 years" but that does them absolutely no good so they won't. The NBA could try and get people to the NBDL but that won't work because no one cares about minor league basketball players and they know it too. The market is created by the schools. The players are virtually interchangeable.

As I've pointed out in other threads, a current division 1 NCAA basketball player gets a higher amount of total compensation per year than virtually all minor league baseball players. That is even mostly true if you don't even count the actual scholarship as having value. It will only get better as they start to provide them a better "cost of living" payment.

What the NBA could do, if they wanted and really cared about the "problem", but they never will, would be to let players get "drafted" out of high school, but instead they could retain the rights of the player through the 4-5 years of eligibility. The problem is they'd have to pay them something, whether a signing/retention bonus, and that would cost them money when instead they could do nothing and instead just have the best talent prove themselves for at least a year, and then pay those who are good, and let the others sit in college getting better.

So, while I'm a big Cuban fan, his hatred of the NCAA makes him sound like an idiot whenever discussing matters to do with them.

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As I've pointed out in other threads, a current division 1 NCAA basketball player gets a higher amount of total compensation per year than virtually all minor league baseball players.


So what? One NCAA tournament produces more revenue than ten complete minor league seasons.

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