I don't. What Maher does is different IMO than what Colbert does. Other than his opening monologue and "Real News" what Maher does isn't comedy.

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You don't what? Maher isn't mentioned in the part I agreed with.

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It is low hanging fruit, but why doesn't anyone else pick it? It's because the majority in media don't see it as a problem. They're brainwashed.

And I don't understand why Stewart is discredited because he's in comedy. The comedy platform is what allows him to do what he does. If you took that away and he couldn't laugh at these clowns, his message wouldn't be effective. Stewart is certainly the beneficiary of time and the platform he was given. But hes made the most of it. I don't understand what your alternative is. You don't take his thoughts seriously, but you do take Cable news seriously? Cable news is the equivalent of comedy - it's just unintended comedy.

Stewart is also one of the few who is capable of having civil conversations with both ends of the political spectrum. Hell, he's buddies with OReilly, and they do charity work together.

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I don't believe we should hold a comedian accountable for his routine. If Maher says something disgusting during his opening routine it shouldn't be taken the same way it should when he says something disgusting when his is talking with his panel. I use Colbert as an example because he stays in character most of the time.

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We've had multiple threads where that hasn't been the case though. That is the point.

"He's just a comedian" has been used multiple times as a defense. I posted a link to one of those threads though I am certain there are/were others.

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Wonder where I read that before. Oh like 7 posts up.

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How are you not getting this? He's discounted because him and other comedians often get excused because "He's just a comedian". I posted that link specifically to show this point.

I'm fine with taking comedians political thoughts as serious 100% of the time. Others are not.

I actually like Stewart. I don't like the pass that he and others are often given while I'm also supposed to believe he is some sort of modern day political sage because he points out how stupid a stupid network is.

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You can almost always tell when someone is serious and when they are joking. If they are joking, you obviously take their words with that in mind, regardless of where and when the joke is said. That's why I don't think it matters if these guys call themselves political pundits or comedians. If they say something funny, I'll laugh, and if they say something intelligent and thought-provoking, I'll listen. Maher and Stewart are good at the former, not so much the latter.

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And...?

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Do you feel the same way about Colbert? He stays in character whenever there is a camera in his face.

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So you think they should be able to pick and choose what mode they want to be in, even after the fact?

I disagree. Be a comedian, or be a comedian who makes political statements and deal with what comes with either. No switching back and forth.

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I won't try to speak for Brick but I think the point is being missed that is trying to be made. Comedians in the entire gamut cannot hold the same 100% respectability (maybe a bad word but it is all I got right now) as other media sources. For me it is because they do not have to hold up to 100% scrutiny. Where as the big three and cable news even Rush get either praised or lambasted they are treated as if they do a singular job of political reporting or commentary.

When you are a comedian and/or part time comic/commentator you do not have the same scrutiny by reviews, population or other. When the heat comes on for something you say or you are proven to be just fricking wrong as hell they simply say of I am just being funny. Therefore, even if Stewart, Colbert et al have a great deal of 90% true awesome things that they say it isn't the same. Because at any point they still fall back to the I am just a funny guy stuff.

By some people's arguments here the weekend update in SNL should be given equal footing with Diane Sawyer.

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I know it sounds strange, but Colbert doesn't really seem to get serious political. He's pretty much just mocking the whole system. That's why you don't really see him described the same way as Stewart.

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I'm trying and failing to understand your point here. No, they do not get to decide after the fact what's a joke and what isn't. We do. And you can pretty much always tell if somebody is making a joke or trying to make a serious point. And I believe everybody is capable of making jokes and serious points, regardless of what they call themselves.

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Yes, please. This thread has been derailed for far too long.

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I would go back and read the thread I posted. That is going to give you the best explanation.

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Alex Jones thinks that the holocaust was a myth. Chas, I guess this mean that you believe the same thing?

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FF you make a good point. Far more troubling for me is not that Stewart is doing what he is doing. I enjoy it mostly. It is that many young people threat it as a news show and is their only input for such information.

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No, you do not. Nobody said that.

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Roger Ailes admitted that he has an agenda, and doesn't care about the truth. Anybody who consumes Fox is willfully ignorant.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart

Stewart has gained acclaim as an acerbic, satirical critic of personality-driven media shows, in particular those of the U.S. media networks such as CNN, Fox News Channel, and MSNBC.[8] Critics say Stewart benefits from a double standard: he critiques other news shows from the safe, removed position of his "fake news" desk.[9][10] Stewart agrees, saying that neither his show nor his channel purports to be anything other than satire and comedy. In spite of its self-professed entertainment mandate, The Daily Show has been nominated for news and journalism awards.

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I agree, but at least he admits it.

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One of my buddies said that he liked watching Stewart and Colbert, because you get a liberal slant, and a conservative slant.

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That's why I like him more. He never breaks character. He spoke in front of congress and stayed in character. I think when his mom passed last year that was the last time I saw him go out of character.

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wikipedia

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Ailes I have seen quoted as saying he only wants to make money and kick the shit out of the competition. I have never seen him quoted as you say that he cares nothing for the truth? I have posted in other previous threads that in fact CBS, NBC and especially MSNBC has had to broadcast retractions or were documented to put on false stories (Dan Rather and Lara Logan on 60 minutes for a couple). I have never read a documented retraction or complete proof of Fox fabrication. I have only seen people hate Fox for opinion/slant not facts. That said part of slant would be to choose to include or omit things? This is why I personally gather from multiple sources the info I use in my head.

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That was touching.

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that's their problem, not his. and i don't even know that it's a problem.

i think anyone defending critics of stewart or anyone else mocking our "political system" needs to take a severely critical look at our political standards and recognize that it's worse to actually take pundits seriously since it's all encompassing the entertainment spectrum and that is all. there is no true political show because it's all about the show.

politics aren't even about politics anymore. the sad thing is that there is more truth in "the daily show" than there is on a "legit" political show, and i am 100% certain i'm not breaking new ground by saying that.

In this case I do not think the Wiki info is terribly controversial.

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No.

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