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:lol: leash and sini were big snubs this year.

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:lol: leash and sini were big snubs this year.


Yes, and it was a lame insult even before it was factually inaccurate.

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I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.

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I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


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I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


I think Nas is a little scared of Seacrest. Bear in mind that this is a man who hasn't eaten a halfway decent waffle in several years.

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Thanks BRick.

My work with you is done. :lol: :lol:
You do realize there is just as much substantiated evidence that stitches cause autism as there is that vaccines cause autism?

Again though, I don't think some of you understand just how important vaccines are. They don't seem important now but that is because they are one of the greatest advances in medical history. We probably all had relatives get sick or die from things that are all but eradicated(but slowly making a comeback) now because of vaccines. Life expectancy has gone up because of vaccines.

Many of these "eradicated" diseases still kill many people in other countries with poorer vaccination programs. 122,000 people died from measles last year. Increases in immunizations in poorer countries has taken measles deaths from 562,000 to 122,000 in about 12 years.

Yeah, but by all means, let's stop immunizing our children because of anecdotal evidence pushed by celebrities!


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When you have kids, get back to me.


How many kids do you have, BRick? Because if you don't have any, then your opinion is clearly uninformed regardless of all of those "facts" you find so handy to point to. Obviously you know having children imbues you with special superpowers to be able to rise above those "facts" to some supercedeing plane of new and improved truth (or something like that) that doesn't need anything to back it up but uninformed opinion.

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Just so you know, and this is 100% serious.

Seacrest posted this as a person he trusts for medical advice.

http://www.earth-heal.com/
http://www.earth-heal.com/index.php/videos/viewvideo/864/the-cancer-killers-dr-charles-majors.html

Enjoy the cat memorial on the home page too!

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Just so you know, and this is 100% serious.

Seacrest posted this as a person he trusts for medical advice.

http://www.earth-heal.com/
http://www.earth-heal.com/index.php/videos/viewvideo/864/the-cancer-killers-dr-charles-majors.html

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Who knew Seacrest was a hippie?

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Br, You do know that vaccines are neurotoxic and associated with some disorders, right? They aren't 100% safe.


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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/0 ... .vaccines/

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Br, You do know that vaccines are neurotoxic and associated with some disorders, right? They aren't 100% safe.
Very few things in medicine have no potential side effects. Vaccines aren't one of them.

Medicine is basically a big balancing game of risk and reward. That is why we have to ignore made up risks.

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Nobel prizes, huh? :lol:


Not sure if it was blind luck or if Panther knows his shit, but scientists in the vaccine field have been under-represented in Nobel Prize wins. Max Theiler's Yellow Fever vaccine being the only actual vaccine discovery to land a Nobel. Maybe the Nobel Prize is like a Golden Glove. There have been other Nobels given out for work in the vaccination field in general.

Unbelievable that Jonas Salk didn't win a Nobel Prize. Louis Pasteur made his multiple, humanity benefiting discoveries before the guy who invented dynamite started handing out Nobel Prizes.

Like Pedro Martinez's MVP vote in 1999-2000, Salk's work on polio really should've scored a Nobel:

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I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


I have trust issues when it comes to the medical industry. I can understand why others may take certain steps that they believe are in the best interest of their kids. I personally don't have the courage to go as far as them.

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I have trust issues when it comes to the medical industry. I can understand why others may take certain steps that they believe are in the best interest of their kids. I personally don't have the courage to go as far as them.
So, would you also consider it to be courageous if a parent refused all medical care for a child?

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Let's pretend for a second that vaccinations can cause autism:

If I had to choose between a possible autistic kid or a possible dead kid, which one do you think is the better choice?

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:lol: leash and sini were big snubs this year.


Yes, and it was a lame insult even before it was factually inaccurate.

All I saw was you sucking major dick to get included in the jerkfest. I'm not surprised that you take pride in the fact that he finally decided to spooge on your face.

Another good one.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


I have trust issues when it comes to the medical industry. I can understand why others may take certain steps that they believe are in the best interest of their kids. I personally don't have the courage to go as far as them.


Certain medical issues seem ripe for disagreement, with at least somewhat decent evidence on both sides. But here, I see literally no evidence on the other side.


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Nas wrote:
I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


I think Nas is a little scared of Seacrest. Bear in mind that this is a man who hasn't eaten a halfway decent waffle in several years.


You're right. Seriously I've been this way when it comes to the medical industry since I can remember. I never had a reason to disregard their advice when I was younger beyond just a gut feeling. It's worked out for me but I'm afraid of making a mistake when it comes to my kids. That's why things like vaccinations that I will not ignore.

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Bucky Chris, you do know that vaccinations have been linked to neurological disorders, right?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I have trust issues when it comes to the medical industry. I can understand why others may take certain steps that they believe are in the best interest of their kids. I personally don't have the courage to go as far as them.
So, would you also consider it to be courageous if a parent refused all medical care for a child?


Some do for religious reasons. I don't agree with it but I can understand where they are coming from. Most of us try to do what is best for our kids and there are times when make mistakes.

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Let's pretend for a second that vaccinations can cause autism:

If I had to choose between a possible autistic kid or a possible dead kid, which one do you think is the better choice?



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Bucky Chris wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I completely understand why Seacrest and others feel the way they do. I just don't have the courage to take that leap myself.


Why can you understand it?


I have trust issues when it comes to the medical industry. I can understand why others may take certain steps that they believe are in the best interest of their kids. I personally don't have the courage to go as far as them.


Certain medical issues seem ripe for disagreement, with at least somewhat decent evidence on both sides. But here, I see literally no evidence on the other side.


Some parents feel the vaccinations aren't needed or that they may cause other medical issues. That's the other side of it.

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Nas wrote:
You're right. Seriously I've been this way when it comes to the medical industry since I can remember. I never had a reason to disregard their advice when I was younger beyond just a gut feeling. It's worked out for me but I'm afraid of making a mistake when it comes to my kids. That's why things like vaccinations that I will not ignore.
Any medical professional worth anything will explain the risks associated with anything. The problem is, at least with the autism-vaccination thing, there is nothing that exists that points to any link at all.

The medical industry would be much worse and much more dangerous if unsubstantiated guessing by housewives and celebrities was a factor when serious and deadly ramifications can come from it.

Just imagine a world where every parent refuses vaccinations. There would be hundreds of thousands of kids dying each year. Maybe more than that.

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Some parents feel the vaccinations aren't needed or that they may cause other medical issues. That's the other side of it.
I want to start a reality show that gives all expense paid vacations to countries where measles is prevalent to parents and children who feel that way. It wouldn't work because not a single person would accept the offer. We'd really see how courageous they are.

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Bucky Chris, you do know that vaccinations have been linked to neurological disorders, right?


are you referencing the Hannah Poling case out of Atlanta? I think even the father acknowledged (or at least the court decided) that it's likely Hannah was headed for autism regardless of being vaccinated. The Poling family's winning contention was that the smorgasbord of 9 vaccinations at once (which I think is not the usual practice) acted as a catalyst to accelerate her devolution into autism.

Or maybe you're pointing to a separate case.


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You're right. Seriously I've been this way when it comes to the medical industry since I can remember. I never had a reason to disregard their advice when I was younger beyond just a gut feeling. It's worked out for me but I'm afraid of making a mistake when it comes to my kids. That's why things like vaccinations that I will not ignore.
Any medical professional worth anything will explain the risks associated with anything. The problem is, at least with the autism-vaccination thing, there is nothing that exists that points to any link at all.

The medical industry would be much worse and much more dangerous if unsubstantiated guessing by housewives and celebrities was a factor when serious and deadly ramifications can come from it.

Just imagine a world where every parent refuses vaccinations. There would be hundreds of thousands of kids dying each year. Maybe more than that.


Most of us try to do what is best but life experiences can change some of this. That guy that survives an accident because he didn't have on a seatbelt will not be willing to listen to you when you tell him he should wear one. That parent who saw their child or the child of someone they were close to change after getting vaccinated will not be willing to listen either. I don't think this is too hard to understand even if you ultimately disagree with their decision.

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Anyone trying to redirect the conversation to who has kids and who doesn't must feel very insecure about the merits if their argument in this thread.

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Anyone trying to redirect the conversation to who has kids and who doesn't must feel very insecure about the merits if their argument in this thread.


Ding ding ding.

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Anyone trying to redirect the conversation to who has kids and who doesn't must feel very insecure about the merits if their argument in this thread.


I wasn't do that.

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