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Easy scorehead......this was an angelo move. Best available player to cover the bad draft pick.


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It still could work out though. Peppers was an absolute beast the first couple of years the Bears had him. If Allen has nothing left in the tank, then the Bears cut him after this season and move on.

Still need improvement in the draft. An improved front 4/front 7 makes the secondary much better though.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Easy scorehead......this was an angelo move. Best available player to cover the bad draft pick.


The Bears are a better team now than they were last year. I like the move to dump a lazy player like Peppers for a high motor guy like Allen.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Emery essentially says D will 4-3 next two years.


I really don't understand why people get hung up on 3-4 or 4-3. They both can be effective D. People act like 3-4 would immediately improve conditions.

Desire to put Shea in a situation to succeed to absolve Emery's terrible record of drafting.


If they want to put Shea in a situation to succeed, I would suggest first buying bib overalls and a pitchfork.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I still think Aaron Donald is the correct pick. They may even be able to get him in a trade down now that Dallas signed Melton. He really should be Lovie's wet dream though, so he might not make it past the Bucs.

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I like the move to dump a lazy player like Peppers for a high motor guy like Allen.
You know for sure Peppers was lazy, huh?

Do you also know that once the Vikings were out if it last season, Jared Allen pretty much only went after sacks to pad his own stats heading into free agency? So in other words, you are OK with the lazy white guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Emery essentially says D will 4-3 next two years.


I really don't understand why people get hung up on 3-4 or 4-3. They both can be effective D. People act like 3-4 would immediately improve conditions.

Desire to put Shea in a situation to succeed to absolve Emery's terrible record of drafting.


If they want to put Shea in a situation to succeed, I would suggest first buying bib overalls and a pitchfork.

I'm sure the guy they signed today has plenty in his closet and shed.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I like the move to dump a lazy player like Peppers for a high motor guy like Allen.
So in other words, you are OK with the white guy.

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I like the move to dump a lazy player like Peppers for a high motor guy like Allen.
You know for sure Peppers was lazy, huh?

Do you also know that once the Vikings were out if it last season, Jared Allen pretty much only went after sacks to pad his own stats heading into free agency? So in other words, you are OK with the lazy white guy.

I'm sure Scorehead and Steve have already put in their jersey orders to the Bears Pro Shop this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I still think Aaron Donald is the correct pick. They may even be able to get him in a trade down now that Dallas signed Melton. He really should be Lovie's wet dream though, so he might not make it past the Bucs.

Don't ignore the Giants. They d-line is a shell of itself. Donald has owned the offseason workout circuit. Giants love athletes.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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I like the move to dump a lazy player like Peppers for a high motor guy like Allen.
You know for sure Peppers was lazy, huh?

Do you also know that once the Vikings were out if it last season, Jared Allen pretty much only went after sacks to pad his own stats heading into free agency? So in other words, you are OK with the lazy white guy.

I would have been ok with Peppers doing the same thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I still think Aaron Donald is the correct pick. They may even be able to get him in a trade down now that Dallas signed Melton. He really should be Lovie's wet dream though, so he might not make it past the Bucs.


They do need another young rotation player inside. Even though Houston may play some DT, the 3 veteran's have been injury prone. There needs to be a younger player to step into that rotation. I hope they are still seriously considering a DT in Round 1, but, if not, there still needs to be one taken in the first 3 rounds who can be a rotational player.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Kirkwood wrote:
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I still think Aaron Donald is the correct pick. They may even be able to get him in a trade down now that Dallas signed Melton. He really should be Lovie's wet dream though, so he might not make it past the Bucs.

Don't ignore the Giants. They d-line is a shell of itself. Donald has owned the offseason workout circuit. Giants love athletes.


Given that he's been the poster child of pre-draft workouts, I'd be surprised if he was on the board at #14. I have to think that one of these teams ahead of Chicago will jump on him.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I still think Aaron Donald is the correct pick. They may even be able to get him in a trade down now that Dallas signed Melton. He really should be Lovie's wet dream though, so he might not make it past the Bucs.

I would think they need to go safety first. It's a huge weakness. The DL signings this offseason means that if they can play together and settle on a rotation the line is fine. Maybe not great, but fine. Every safety on the team is terrible. CB is ok if you can get at least 10-12 healthy Peanut games. LB is going to be really bad again if DJ or Briggs goes down for any extended time. If the goal is to win now, I don't think they can afford to address DL first.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't get the Bass love. He was ok in some games but really bad in others. I'm sure there is some potential, but he's not that good right now.


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I read that Mosely is dropping due to injury concerns. I had not seen anything in regards to injuries with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't get the Bass love. He was ok in some games but really bad in others. I'm sure there is some potential, but he's not that good right now.

I'm not sure if it's Bass love as much as it is Shea disdain. I think he has more potential than Shea. Like dolphin said, Shea isn't an NFL player. I think that's clear.

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Mel Tucker is the Defensive Coordinator for the Bears in 2014. This comforts me.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't get the Bass love. He was ok in some games but really bad in others. I'm sure there is some potential, but he's not that good right now.

I'm not sure if it's Bass love as much as it is Shea disdain. I think he has more potential than Shea. Like dolphin said, Shea isn't an NFL player. I think that's clear.


So far, yes. But by most accounts, he was in the wrong position. Still willing to see how it goes at LB.


Really though, both aren't good.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It amazes me that the Bears seem to be in a major "win now" mode even though they got a new coach and GM.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it works. However, I'm not sure the organization has drafted strong enough to be able to pull off never trying to do a real rebuild.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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Mel Tucker is the Defensive Coordinator for the Bears in 2014. This comforts me.


It should because he shouldn't be more than a LBers coach for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I don't get the Bass love. He was ok in some games but really bad in others. I'm sure there is some potential, but he's not that good right now.

I'm not sure if it's Bass love as much as it is Shea disdain. I think he has more potential than Shea. Like dolphin said, Shea isn't an NFL player. I think that's clear.


So far, yes. But by most accounts, he was in the wrong position. Still willing to see how it goes at LB.


Really though, both aren't good.

Probably true. I think Bass is more deserving of a roster spot though. That's all.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It amazes me that the Bears seem to be in a major "win now" mode even though they got a new coach and GM.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it works. However, I'm not sure the organization has drafted strong enough to be able to pull off never trying to do a real rebuild.

Seems like there is too much talent there to do a real rebuild. That's probably why they (stupidly) decided their hand was forced with Cutler.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It amazes me that the Bears seem to be in a major "win now" mode even though they got a new coach and GM.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it works. However, I'm not sure the organization has drafted strong enough to be able to pull off never trying to do a real rebuild.

Seems like there is too much talent there to do a real rebuild. That's probably why they (stupidly) decided their hand was forced with Cutler.
Where was all the talent last year?

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It amazes me that the Bears seem to be in a major "win now" mode even though they got a new coach and GM.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it works. However, I'm not sure the organization has drafted strong enough to be able to pull off never trying to do a real rebuild.

Seems like there is too much talent there to do a real rebuild. That's probably why they (stupidly) decided their hand was forced with Cutler.
Where was all the talent last year?

On one side of the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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It amazes me that the Bears seem to be in a major "win now" mode
I am not sure why you are amazed that the team with the 3rd best offense in the NFL is in a "win now" mode. If that defense can improve from last to even 20th, the Bears could be a real force next season. A lot of work to do still on the D, but you should not be amazed that they are going for it in a league where teams go from worst to first all the time.

But then again, you aren't a real Bears fan anymore so I guess it fits your narrative.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I am not sure why you are amazed that the team with the 3rd best offense in the NFL is in a "win now" mode. If that defense can improve from last to even 20th, the Bears could be a real force next season. A lot of work to do still on the D, but you should not be amazed that they are going for it in a league where teams go from worst to first all the time.
I think way too much is being made on how close they were last year. They only scored 3.4 more points per game than the 15th best offense in the league. They were only .9 more than Kansas City. I just don't see the offense carrying them. It certainly didn't last year unless you are impressed by 8-8.

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But then again, you aren't a real Bears fan anymore so I guess it fits your narrative.
I don't like the Bears immediate future. I'm sure I'll be proven wrong when they go 12-4 next year right?

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I just don't see the offense carrying them. It certainly didn't last year unless you are impressed by 8-8.
NBever said I was impressed by 8-8.

The Bears scored the following amount of points in their losses;
32, 18, 41, 19, 21, 20 (2nd down FG), 11, and 28
For all the love McCown got, the 19, 21, and 20 point performances were with him as the starter.

If you score 28 points, your defense should be able to nail down the win. Hell even if the Bears only won the game where they scored 41 freakin points, they would have won the NFC North.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Offseason
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I just don't see the offense carrying them. It certainly didn't last year unless you are impressed by 8-8.
NBever said I was impressed by 8-8.

The Bears scored the following amount of points in their losses;
32, 18, 41, 19, 21, 20 (2nd down FG), 11, and 28
For all the love McCown got, the 19, 21, and 20 point performances were with him as the starter.

But wasn't he also on the field for almost all of that 41?

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