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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:27 am 
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What about Wong makes you think he does not pan out?

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What about Wong makes you think he does not pan out?

It's a limited sample size, but he was brutal at the end of last year.

I really hope I'm wrong...I think the kid could be a really good player...but I'm certainly not in love with him like a lot of my fellow Cards fans.

Oh, and bad on me...I'm guessing if Wong sucked, Ellis would get the nod at 2nd before moving Carp back over there...forgot about that pick up in the offseason.


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What about Wong makes you think he does not pan out?

It's a limited sample size, but he was brutal at the end of last year.

I really hope I'm wrong...I think the kid could be a really good player...but I'm certainly not in love with him like a lot of my fellow Cards fans.

Oh, and bad on me...I'm guessing if Wong sucked, Ellis would get the nod at 2nd before moving Carp back over there...forgot about that pick up in the offseason.

I actually agree with you. I have not been that impressed with Wong. I was having this discussion with a buddy of mine not too long ago. I think they should look at trading him while his prospects are so high. Get something in return for him now. Of course my buddy told me I was crazy. Guess we will see.

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What about Wong makes you think he does not pan out?

It's a limited sample size, but he was brutal at the end of last year.

I really hope I'm wrong...I think the kid could be a really good player...but I'm certainly not in love with him like a lot of my fellow Cards fans.

Oh, and bad on me...I'm guessing if Wong sucked, Ellis would get the nod at 2nd before moving Carp back over there...forgot about that pick up in the offseason.

I actually agree with you. I have not been that impressed with Wong. I was having this discussion with a buddy of mine not too long ago. I think they should look at trading him while his prospects are so high. Get something in return for him now. Of course my buddy told me I was crazy. Guess we will see.

I think a lot of my feelings on him stem from all the talk during the trade deadline last year...almost every person I heard call into MLB radio wanted the Cards to trade Freese so they could move Carpenter to 3rd and open up the spot to Wong...who had proven absolutely nothing.

At least now if he doesn't pan out they can fall back on Ellis...if they had done this last year and Wong sucked ass, they'd be looking at Daniel Descalso every day at 2nd or 3rd...


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Braves signed RHP Ervin Santana to a one-year, $14.1 million contract.

Injuries to the Braves pitching staff necessitated this move and the Braves are very lucky a pitcher of Santana's caliber was still on the market. Santana signs for the exact qualifying offer he turned down from the Royals and will try to get his $100M next off season in a down free agent market. The Braves lose their first round pick (26th overall).


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if that long haired fuck on the north side can keep it on the rails for a few months, they will get a ton in return for him.

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Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.


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lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

Would make him only the 3rd highest paid pitcher in baseball (Greinke, Lee)


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lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.


He's betting on himself. I would not be tailing him on that bet.

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Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.
The Tigers dodged a bullet there.

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CY recency or not; Max Scherzer is not the 3rd best pitcher in baseball.

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Apologist wrote:
CY recency or not; Max Scherzer is not the 3rd best pitcher in baseball.

Greinke isnt either


Its really more a club of Aces and who got the latest deals


The pitching money has never really stopped going up


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rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

Would make him only the 3rd highest paid pitcher in baseball (Greinke, Lee)

Where's Kershaw?


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 Post subject: Re: Hot Stove- 2014
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lipidquadcab wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

Would make him only the 3rd highest paid pitcher in baseball (Greinke, Lee)

Where's Kershaw?

He's got an odd breakdown. He makes 4 million this year and 30 million next year


So on average he's #1


Here's the list Im looking at



1
Zack Greinke at
Starting Pitcher
$26,000,000
2
Cliff Lee at
Starting Pitcher
$25,000,000
3
Cole Hamels at
Starting Pitcher
$23,500,000
4
C.C. Sabathia at
Starting Pitcher
$23,000,000
5
Felix Hernandez at
Starting Pitcher
$22,857,142
6
Masahiro Tanaka at
Starting Pitcher
$22,000,000
7
Matt Cain at
Starting Pitcher
$20,833,333
8
Justin Verlander at
Starting Pitcher
$20,000,000
9
Adam Wainwright at
Starting Pitcher
$19,500,000
10
Mark Buehrle at
Starting Pitcher
$19,000,000
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Josh Beckett at
Starting Pitcher
$17,000,000

Tim Lincecum at
Starting Pitcher
$17,000,000
13
C.J. Wilson at
Starting Pitcher
$16,500,000
14
Jered Weaver at
Starting Pitcher
$16,200,000
15
Hiroki Kuroda at
Starting Pitcher
$16,000,000
16
John Lackey at
Starting Pitcher
$15,950,000
17
Anibal Sanchez at
Starting Pitcher
$15,800,000
18
John Danks at
Starting Pitcher
$15,750,000
19
Max Scherzer at
Starting Pitcher
$15,525,000
20
A.J. Burnett at
Starting Pitcher
$15,000,000
21
Jake Peavy at
Starting Pitcher
$14,500,000
22
Ervin Santana at
Starting Pitcher
$14,100,000
23
David Price at
Starting Pitcher
$14,000,000
24
James Shields at
Starting Pitcher
$13,500,000
25
Ryan Dempster at
Starting Pitcher
$13,250,000


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 Post subject: Re: Hot Stove- 2014
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lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.


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Kirkwood wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.

You'd think so, but if he has a year close to last, he will get even more.


I think as fans we (at least I) concentrate a lot on the per year number, but if you're the player especially in baseball its the total number that matters


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.

You'd think so, but if he has a year close to last, he will get even more.


I think as fans we (at least I) concentrate a lot on the per year number, but if you're the player especially in baseball its the total number that matters

He'll be 30 and they're offering 6 years. I can see a 7th year if he's great but nothing he can do to get an eighth. I guess he should be commended for having faith to bet on himself.


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@Ken_Rosenthal says #Rockies turned down Tulo for Miller+Adams+Kozma offer from #stlcards b4 Cards signed Peralta. msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/the-…

Just saw this. I hate this trade for the Rockies. Good for them.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.

You'd think so, but if he has a year close to last, he will get even more.


I think as fans we (at least I) concentrate a lot on the per year number, but if you're the player especially in baseball its the total number that matters

I'm looking at the total number in almost all of these cases, because as you've pointed out, the salaries fluctuate so much year-to-year that what looks like a great deal in years 1 and 2 can look absolutely horrible by contract end.

In this case, I don't see any way that deal could have been structured that I would think it would be good for the Tigers.


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Kirkwood wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.

You'd think so, but if he has a year close to last, he will get even more.


I think as fans we (at least I) concentrate a lot on the per year number, but if you're the player especially in baseball its the total number that matters

He'll be 30 and they're offering 6 years. I can see a 7th year if he's great but nothing he can do to get an eighth. I guess he should be commended for having faith to bet on himself.

He does have less miles than most 27 year olds


Here's a Yahoo article making that case. I dont agree.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-max-scherzer-turning-down-insane-money-makes-perfect-sense-045448374.html


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@Ken_Rosenthal says #Rockies turned down Tulo for Miller+Adams+Kozma offer from #stlcards b4 Cards signed Peralta. msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/the-…

Just saw this. I hate this trade for the Rockies. Good for them.

I can only think two things:

1) Shelby Miller fucked someone's wife (besides his own)
2) The front office in St. Louis doesn't deserve as much credit as they are getting


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lipidquadcab wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
lipidquadcab wrote:
Detroit offered Max Scherzer 6 yr/144 million...

...and he turned it down.

All parties involved are out of their fucking minds.

:shock:

Scherzer and Boras fucked up here.

You'd think so, but if he has a year close to last, he will get even more.


I think as fans we (at least I) concentrate a lot on the per year number, but if you're the player especially in baseball its the total number that matters

I'm looking at the total number in almost all of these cases, because as you've pointed out, the salaries fluctuate so much year-to-year that what looks like a great deal in years 1 and 2 can look absolutely horrible by contract end.

In this case, I don't see any way that deal could have been structured that I would think it would be good for the Tigers.

Illitch wants to buy a title before he dies. He's uber rich, 85 years old, and doesnt give a fuck. Boras' wet dream.


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CY recency or not; Max Scherzer is not the 3rd best pitcher in baseball.
He's the 3rd best pitcher on his team.

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The Tigers and Miguel Cabrera agree to an 8yr/$248M extension.

Miggy is already under contract for '14 and '15 season at $22M per. This extension will lock him up thru 2023.


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Keyser Soze wrote:
The Tigers and Miguel Cabrera agree to an 8yr/$248M extension.

Miggy is already under contract for '14 and '15 season at $22M per. This extension will lock him up thru 2023.


10 years 292 million.

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I'm guessing the look upon Max Scherzer's face, upon hearing the news, was something like this...

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Indians extend :shock: Jason Kipnis. 6 years , 52.5 million. Sheesh.

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Look at the money they just gave Yan Gomes. Who the fuck is Yan Gomes??

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