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To rephrase Don Tiny's question then you think this was more of a case that it just" happened" or his mechanics making it more likely to happen ?

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Yes.

It's SABR karma

Once again

considering the scouting reports stated he puts 60% more torque on his arm than a normal pitcher, than I don't think "it just happens" is a reasonable answer.

I would say 'It is expected" is a better answer.

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Fine. It is "expected" that at some point over his MLB career Chris Sale was likely to have an arm strain. More great analysis.

"once again"
This isn't even an injury really, its a strain. The Sox are putting him on the DL purely as a precaution. I think if this happens during the last 2 weeks of September and the Sox were a game out of first Sale would be pushed back a couple of days but would still pitch this week.

Over 162 games even tough guys get strains, sore arms, muscle pulls. />Lou Brown

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I guess a different way of phrasing it wouldve been that it would be very unlikely that Sale wasn't going to have some sort of DL arm problems at some point. Now I guess that begs the question how many pitchers are disabled due to arm problems in their careers and you'll have a was he more likely to than others answer.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

It's a 15 day DL stint. Until he misses 2-3 months at minimum this is a moot discussion. He appears to be able to handle the strain of being a MLB starter so far.

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I am sure Frank is well aware of Elite baseball training group in chicago!

here is the digital pitching analysts breakdown of Sale from last year. pretty much everything I have posted here, but of course my sources are never really that good.

At the 1:29 mark, he mentions up to 60% more stress on the arm and an expected injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1lhw3p3elQ

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NOPE! Its expected! bigfan's sources (which appears to be youtube ) is never wrong!

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Of course, as I figured.

A guy who breaks down pitching motions all day and is certified v. Keyser Soze.

Because he placed his analysis on you tube makes him a bad analyst then?

very well thought out post frank. Have to admit, you are consistant.

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Why don't you email this guy so he can break down the difference between a strain and a significant injury for you.

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You are quite special, bigfan. With you beating up NFL players and playing doctor here its a wonder how you have time to run a message board.

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Frank, with your empire, it is a wonder you have time to post. 40,000 posts? thats 40,000 empty thoughts, actually kind of hard to do,

I have emailed Elite Baseball Training and told them to be more specific when they make predictions a year in advance on you tube.

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Next time I see Justin I will ask him to break down Jarrod Parker's mechanics and explain why he's had two TJ surgeries. Or he can break down any of the other 134 major league pitchers with elbow problems. Maybe they all have 60% more stress on the elbow!

Keyser I do expect a little more from you.

I think you will agree that Sale has a unique delivery, that isn't generated from the strength of his muscles.

So while, he could always end up with classic TJ surgery, but you know his scenario is different from most.

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You can be certified to break down pitching mechanics? Is that a university of Phoenix degree?

back in the day everybody had a bizarre delivery. now baseball coaching geniuses eliminate that shit in little league.

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Who has denied this? Who has denied the 60% more stress?

Nobody.

A minor strain with clean MRI and a 15 day DL stint does not qualify as an "expected injury." MLB players get strains and pulls all the time. Surgery, sprains, 60 day DL stints, etc, those are all major injuries. To date, Sale has had zero f these. You seem to fail to be able to grasp this simple concept.

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Your man Justin Stone is also Digital Motion Analysis certified.

Why don't you ask him?

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It is just a good thing the White Sox give their players regular MRIs

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Who is Justin Stone? Digital Motion Analysis sounds like made up nerd shit.

That has all the profundity of saying "some days it rains and some days it doesn't".

No wonder you don't like Skilling.

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It's actually Travis Kerber doing the analysis there. He's the actual pitching coach for all levels of Elite Baseball (which has a shitload of pitchers committed to D1 schools through the 2016 class) & a really good guy. When you hear him going through/showing kids motion analysis in real world terms, it's actually pretty insightful. I wish my schedule could have allowed me to take my own son to work with him more than I have, I think that highly of him.

But fwiw, both he & Justin actually both spent a number of years in the White Sox & White Sox Academy system.

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I'll have to dial up the old Google machine, but there was some investigation in the last year or two that empirically profferred up the theory that the WS have had signifigantly lower pitcher-DL time than any other organization in the Cooper era. It was by a pretty wide margin, IIRC

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Maybe you can enlighten Frank and Keyser, the White Sox experts as to whom they are, as they both seem to think these guys are a joke.

They use the BASH facility and do a great job with a long long list of very good players from the area. If these guys had a bigger facility, you would hear much more about them.

They even improved my uncoordinated nephew to make him into a really good player. He is never going to be much more at any next level, but he is a really good hitter now and can hum it.

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Still waiting..................

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