Bring back Brian LaHair.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Not really. There was a 98 point difference between the 5th (Goldschmidt .952)and 21st guy (Adam Lind .854) last year.

I think that's fair.

So do you derive any conclusions from the fact that Rizzo is close in OPS and better in OPS+ than a guy on pace for 60 homeruns?




Me too. But I also think Abreu will probably slow down a bit too.

Oh yeah, I had forgotten your LaHair fetish. Thats why you want Rizzo gone. I believe you were firmly against Rizzo even being on the team since LaHair won your heart


Its always comes back to hair with you bald motherfuckers.

just like the Cubs,I once had La Hair.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

To say that the 5th best hitter in baseball was not "far superior" to the 21st helps make my point.

If that is the criteria for "far superior" then this whole thing is a waste of time.

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What?

Goldschmidt was far superior to Lind.


What do you think far superior means? 20 points of OPS? So a guy who slugs 10 points higher and 10 points higher on OBP is far superior? Of course not.


Stone's comment was dumb. Far superior is a pretty big statement.

What is your definition of Far Superior? Dont you think there would be AT LEAST 15 people between one guy and a guy he's far superior to on an OPS list?

98 < 100. We are trying to quantify it here. I'm asking what the minimum would be to be far superior. If it's 100, then 98 doesn't work. Otherwise, what about 92? What about 85?
50 looks much more logical to me.
Probably not. I think the actual number matters more.

So, if I said that Abreu needs to be 50 points higher to be "far superior" would you accept that?

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No. .050 OPS difference is marginally superior.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

So then answer the question. How much would it take to consider Abreu far superior?

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By the way, this means there are only 5 players in all of MLB that are "marginally superior" or better than Abreu.

What an amazing signing!

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Its hard to say actually.

There are instances of two guys being .50 points apart and very similar and there are instances where they are a lot better


The term far superior to me means we dont have to put any number on it. It will be overwhemingly obvious.

Looking at last year's first baseman the best example I can see is Freddie Freeman and Eric Hosmer. Freeman was far superior to Hosmer. The difference was .96

Yeah, it's looking like a great move

You, and others have gone on for pages using numbers to refute it. Do you really think it is fair to then say you don't have to put a number to it to quantify it?

However, if we are going down this road, then I will say that it is fairly obvious to me that Abreu is far superior to Rizzo. Since I don't have to use numbers for it then I guess I'm right.

It seems obvious what is going to happen here. Unless Abreu wins the MVP this year or Rizzo becomes terrible, people will say "Abreu is not far superior" by keeping things vague.

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Im sorry that Stone made a dumb very hard to quantify comment that will be really hard to prove right.

Dont take it out on me.


Far superior should be pretty clear. If you think it's clear now, fine. I disagree.


Im sorry you dont like the numbers I proposed. 100 points is far superior. 50 points is a lot less.


So basically, you want to set this up so that if Abreu is even slightly better than Rizzo you can say he is far superior.

And yes, you better ignore the numbers. Because OPS, OPS+, wOBA and WAR all say Rizzo is either better or slightly behind.

Yup.

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RPB's suggestion of .100 OPS seems reasonable for 1B, DH, corner outfielders.

I think that it would be slightly less for middle infielders....catcher...

Yes. I think Abreu is upper echelon to start the season. As is Rizzo.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

That's fine, but don't say he is wrong either then.

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Rick is awesome.

Put a number on it

OK 100.

That's a crazy number way too high.

Gives example that comes out to 96.

Well that doesnt meet your criteria.


You cant possibly be like this in real life can you? Do you argue with gas stations when they charge 3.96 9/10. "How can you charge 9/10 of a cent?!?!?!"

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Ill say this, Abreu definitely has to catch and pass Rizzo in all the stats Rizzo leads him in.

It will be interesting to see if Mike Trout can prove he is far superior to Rizzo this year.

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RPB has Lady Luck chained in his basement. I would not make a bet with him.

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I want a logical number. I predict that 100 creates a lot of illogical statements. It certainly does now unless you truly think that only 3 hitters in the whole game are far superior to Abreu.

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Why are you only focusing on offense? Stone said Abreu would the be the FAR SUPERIOR player.

Maybe because the season is only a little over a month old? And if the number is set at 100 and it comes out to 96 or 98 I hope people wouldnt be arguing over that small of a difference.

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Rick wants it set up so that Abrue has to be slightly better than Rizzo.


100 is way more logical than 50 but that doesnt help his cause.

Are you having trouble understanding things?

Trout's OPS was 146 points higher than Rizzo's last year


If you're trying to say that Trout has been far superior to Rizzo this year, then you are incorrect.

Do you think Abreu won the extremely predigious AL Player of the Month award because a lot of guys are far superior to him?


You're making less and less sense here

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Anyone can play 1st, an outstanding first baseman vs an average first baseman that hits better is an easy pick...the Better hitter , this will come down to the bats...if Abreu can hit 35-120 ....he will run away with this debate .

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Because we are talking about first baseman.

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