Darkside wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I didn't know Jorr had a problem with Darko.
I don't unless he pointlessly attacks me. If he finds a conversation tedious or idiotic or whatever, I would advise him just to ignore it like so many of the rest of us ignore conversations in which they have little to no interest. There are entire sections I find worthless but you don't see me in them mocking the participants by posting dumb stuff like "Zeus on a zephyr". Or he can just do what he does and I'll answer the way I do. Either way is fine with me.
You found that to be an "attack"? Jesus on a lawn Jart I had no idea you were so sensitive.
I was commenting on how you mindlessly and recklessly alter the hypothesis of your "opponents" by saying something that no one says, i.e. W/L is "meaningless" which no one is really arguing. You know that, unless you're completely obtuse. I suppose that is possible given some what I've read in that thread but having met you it didn't strike me at the time that you're dense or something.
Well, it certainly wasn't friendly. Nor did it move the discussion forward. Anyway, many people have made the statement that "W/L record is meaningless" or some variation thereof, on this message board, on the radio, and in life. I hear Len Kasper say it almost every time he comes on with Mac & Spiegel.
I've never denied that a pitcher can be stuck on a bad team with a poor offense and that that could have an effect on his W/L record. But as bad as the Cub offense is, it's shown itself to be capable of scoring 17 runs in a game vs. the defending NL champs. It may well be that Jeff Samardzija is a poor victim who is actually a great pitcher ready to join a superior offense and win 17 games each season. You won't know that until after you pay him. And when you pay him, you may find out that he receives more "support" but then allows more runs. And then the argument will simply be that he isn't pitching as well as he did with the Cubs. And my argument will be that he's pitching the same way within a different context and that's he's a loser. And we'll never really know the truth because it can't be measured.
But back to Sheehan and his stupidity regarding Price. Clearly, he's dazzled by Price's inhuman K/BB rate. That's blinding him to reality. And although real SABR guys like to talk about science a lot, the blowhards like bernstein and Sheehan are not up to scientific rigors. They see an angle and write the narrative. They don't ask the right questions because the answers might ruin their story. I haven't examined every batted ball Price has allowed but I look at his strange K/BB ratio along with his higher ERA and huge amount of hits allowed and the first question I ask is, is he throwing too many strikes? And that raises a larger baseball question about throwing strikes. If there was a mythical pitcher capable of throwing a strike every time, should he actually do it? I think the answer is obvious.
Finally, there was a time when walks were viewed as something a pitcher allowed rather than as something that a batter drew. That's why guys like Max Bishop and Ferris Fain and Eddie Yost were under-appreciated in their times. That's changed today to the point where a guy who walks a lot is revered. But it leads me to the question of why then, do we see a strikeout as something a pitcher achieves rather than as a failing of the batter? And should we reexamine that viewpoint in light of the fact that teams are striking out an average of 7+ times per nine innings regardless of who is throwing the baseballs?
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