Excellent question!

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There are people who say "knives kill people! Let's ban knives!"... so its really not a silly question at all. Given the line of thinking of a lot of gun advocates, it's actually the next natural question.

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Wayne Lapierre. Next question.

No. I'm sticking with silly. I think that makes a lot more sense.

The ban knives point is supposed to be silly.

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Were you trying to be funny?

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The answer for the nuke is really easy though. It is impossible to protect yourself with a nuke since it will kill you too, and if you happen to be far enough away that it wouldn't, then you wouldn't need the nuke in the first place. Having a gun to protect yourself is key to most rational gun rights supporters. Hunting also factors in, but hunting with a nuke would be hard too.

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what the fuck is that

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

So the next time someone says "ban knives!", an anti-gun person can say "legalize a-bombs!" and no one will raise an eye brow, right?

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not sure if serious

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People really do not understand discussions when it comes to the bill of rights. Of course you should not have WMD's per the 2nd amendment. But certainly those that defend that amendment with all of their being aren't really any different than the first amendment zealots. People get torked off when the ACLU defends some Nazi/KKK asshole for using his right. It just is different because generally that right does not usually come up in the news with a school getting lit up by an AK-47.

You cannot pick and choose or shave edges off of rights no matter what. Unless of course you make a new amendment. Lots of luck with that.

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Fair enough. But my next question is where does the Constitution define an arm as something to defend yourself? I know there is a common law definition of arms... Just asking the question...

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I agree. Where do we define arms?

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I believe interpretation is reserved for the Supreme Court, and they've made a few rulings which clarify your question.

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The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.

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I am. It's the exact same logic.

You and I have had this discussion many times before.

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The Supreme Court essentially defined "arm" in US. v. Miller:

"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.""

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Ok.

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Guns in general. Fully automatic is a canard. When I was in the Army actually they came out with the M-16 A2. It was not fully auto. The auto part was limited to 3 shots per trigger pull. The idea being that after three your naturally physical tendencies took you off target and wasted ammo.

So aside from the news calling scary looking weapons assault weapons it makes no sense. As for true fully automatic killing machines like a M-60 or 50 Cal there is no need to have it and can be regulated very easily I assume. I generally never saw on the news a Rambo M-60 incident.

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Where does the second amendment say anything about self defense?

Thanks spiral. I wasn't aware.

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In my opinion, it's the very reason the amendment exists. The whole concept of a militia is about self defense.

Anyways, if you want to get completely literal with what it says, then all guns with military effectiveness should be legal. However, that isn't what I think it should be.

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I don't think Mr. Lapierre would find it funny.

I agree with you. As long as you are part of the miltia.

All right. Thanks.

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Every male over 18 is in the de facto reserves of the military, and because of Jezebel, probably all females.

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And as we're talking about the second amendment, it also expressly says "well regulated". So when you become part of the milita, the government then gets to regulate your arms.

Leash - why do you think people should be allowed to own guns? You've said consistently that they shouldn't be banned, but I only ever hear anti-gun arguments from you.

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That isn't what regulated means.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So when is your draft date? And I assume you will be using your own weapon when you get shipped to the Middle East, so we can cut all defense spending for guns.

Ok. Mr. Lapierre. I'll take your word over Thomas Jefferson.