B&B were talking about Tim Hudson. I'm not sure about him. I'm thinking Mussina is probably the best.

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I'd put Mussina and Halladay ahead of Hudson. Pettitte, too, if not for the scarlet letter.

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I agree 100%. Moose was a badass MoFo who pitched vs. whatever was thrown at him. Hudson pitched around his mammoth injuries and stilll does.

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There's not a surefire Hall of Fame starter pitching right now. If you're going to put Hudson in I don't see how you could leave Buehrle out. And as much as I love Buehrle, he isn't my idea of a Hall of Fame pitcher.

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Tim Hudson is 100 games over .500 for his career.

No way JORR doesn't want him in on first ballot.

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I never liked Buehrle for the obvious reasons: pitched for the Sox, pitched well, looks like he got hit in the face with a pan. But as we've entered the era of Really Smart People Baseball, I've come to appreciate him as a guy who can pitch a ballgame in less time than it takes to perform the Ring cycle. We need more pitchers like him, frying pan to the face optional.

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Just pick the top ten guys with the lowest WHIP.

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God damned kids not going with a Tom Petty reference instead ...

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A little more topical now...I mean...we even have a thread on the guy.

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Pedro
Mussina
CC Sabathia
Halladay

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Who, Pharrel?

Piss on him, his BJ Armstrong complexion, and his stupid Yogi Bear Park Ranger Smith hat.

'Hooks' are meant to be catchy parts of songs that people glom on to; they're not meant to be 98% of the chart*.

(* - gratuitously used to grate on RPB)

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Buehrle might hit 200 wins before All Star break.

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kinda thought Pedro was already in the HOF.

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See out of that group the only one who screams HOF to me is Pedro. Maybe Halladay. No way with Moose or Fatass unless its a HOF of all you can eat wings or something.

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His eligibility expired this year, but Jack Morris came closest; think he neared 70% of the needed 75% to gain entry into Cooperstown:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20131203/jack-morris-hall-of-fame/

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Yeah and Randy Johnson won't be in until next year.

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What do you think of Smoltz getting in? I'd say above average shot, but not a first year like Pedro or the Big Unit.

Ron Guidry also is semi-compelling to me as a veteran's nomination. Career a little short, but he had a few great years with the old school stats.

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I'd put Smoltz in for sure. When you look at his entire body of work, he had an amazing career, better than a bunch of guys that are already in. There's no way Don Sutton or Phil Niekro were better pitchers than Smoltz. He was a top flight starter for many years; he had a three year run as a dominating closer; and then came back and was excellent as a starter again. But his postseason success really puts him over the top. On a team with two first ballot guys, he was the best pitcher on the team when the money was on the line.

I think Guidry is a little short. His comparisons would be Koufax and Dean, but to me, he just doesn't quite make it to their level.

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They are going to have to lower the bar a bit or reexamine when it comes to pitchers credentials or there won't be anymore more pitchers inducted after Mariano . They way starters are handled now its highly unlikely that any will see 300 wins again. Careers to short, money too big . Only going 6 innings leaves them open to losing a lot of wins ( poor Jeff Samardzija) . 250 might become the new 300 as the benchmark in the not too distant future.

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Pedro and Smoltz are in without question. You could argue Smoltz' career was better than Maddux and Glavine when you consider playoff performances and the closer switch


CC was on his way, but that's in jeopardy right now

Hudson and Buehrle are just below the line for me. They are probably the best candidates pitching right now


EDIT: JORR beat me to it on Smoltz

Petite for sure if not for the roids and he'll probably still get in


No on Mussina.

Just starters? Obviously guys like Hoffman, Rivera, will get in as well.

I vote for Javy Vazquez and Gavin Floyd. /Joeorr

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I know he won't be, but Randy Johnson should be unanimous.

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So should Pedro.

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Agreed. A WHIP of 0.737 (!) in 2000. He was as dominant as Koufax for a five-year stretch. He did knock down old man Zimmer, though.

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I do not understand the Pettitte love here. With or without bending over with Roger, he isn't close to any HOF discussion I want to have.

And there is no way I'm putting Mussina or Hudson in. I never, ever would have paid dollar one, nor would have been excited to watch them pitch. My definition of "dominant" and "ace" pitcher excludes them (& Hudson) as well.

They'll be fine in the hall of very good.

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