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Better than Bron/Bosh or KD/Ibaka?


I should have said best 4/5 combination.

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Better than Bron/Bosh or KD/Ibaka?


I should have said best 4/5 combination.


It would definitely be the best power forward/ center combination.


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http://dimemag.com/2014/06/report-bulls ... evin-love/

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Kevin Love made a lot of noise this past weekend when he visited Boston and was seen with Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo. The Celtics have some pieces which could be intriguing in any potential trade offer, but according to reports, the Bulls have already made an offer of their own to the Timberwolves.

Via Jackie MacMullan of ESPN Boston, the Bulls have contacted the ‘Wolves regarding a Love trade:

The Timberwolves privately maintain they already have fielded better offers from other teams, among them the Chicago Bulls, who can offer draft picks and some combination of Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with Carlos Boozer, whose bloated $16.8 million contract expires next summer and represents the kind of cap space rebuilding teams crave.

If you are Kevin Love and can choose to join a team with top dogs Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah or Rondo and Jeff Green, which way are you leaning?

A trio of Rose, Noah and Love would immediately vault the Bulls back into contention in the Eastern Conference. Butler and Gibson are key pieces in the rotation, and integral to what Tom Thibodeau does on the defensive end, but it feels like a fair price for the Bulls if it means landing a 25-year-old franchise player.

The Bulls made the Eastern Conference Finals in 2011, but have not been back since. The main reason has been Rose’s inability to stay on the court. Let’s not forget that, even though he is coming off a career year, Noah has a long history of nagging injuries as well.

Acquiring Love would allow Chicago some breathing room for improvement, so they don’t have to pin all their hopes for success on Rose coming back and returning to his 2011 MVP form; Love gives them a larger margin for error and a possible centerpiece to build around if Rose’s surgically reparied knees are battered beyond repair.

As we move closer to the 2014 Draft, expect to hear more about these types of concrete offers for Love. If the ‘Wolves are really considering trading Love this month, this will be a good way to continue to drive up Love’s value so they can extract quality assets out of their tenuous situation with him in the summer of 2015.

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As much as I would hate to see Taj go you would have to trade him in order to get Love. I can't understand why the Wolves would want him considering how old he is.

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Jimmy and Taj are muy guys. That said, I'd dump them in a heartbeat if it meant a starting lineup of Rose, Love, Noah and two dudes...

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Jimmy and Taj are muy guys. That said, I'd dump them in a heartbeat if it meant a starting lineup of Rose, Love, Noah and two dudes...

I agree.

The only concern I would have is who is going to play D on Lebron and other studs. Hopefully one of those other dudes better be able to lock up on someone and/or have THibs work some magic

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As much as I would hate to see Taj go you would have to trade him in order to get Love. I can't understand why the Wolves would want him considering how old he is.


Now would be the time to grade Gibson as well since he's coming off of a breakout season, improving his offensive game, and being a dependable defender. He's already in his prime, Mirotic is going to be a starter if/when he signs with the Bulls so I never see Gibson (ideally) being more than a 3rd big man. Some teams probably see him as a starting forward, and don't have a younger player waiting in the wings.

It would be interesting to see if the Bulls can land Love without jmoving Mirotic. I find that doubtful since I believe he'd be a top 6-8 pick in this draft and he's be a nice young piece in a trade.


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Jimmy and Taj are muy guys. That said, I'd dump them in a heartbeat if it meant a starting lineup of Rose, Love, Noah and two dudes...


Next year will be big for Butler. He has to develop a more dependable offensive game else he's going down the path of Thabo Sefalosha, he'll have a role on a team with his defensive ability, but his lack of offensive skills will eventually be his un-doing.


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I was expecting that GIF to get a bit more of a response.

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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?


Given the "type" of players the Bulls keep drafting and signing, I cannot believe that they would want Melo.


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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?

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As much as I would hate to see Taj go you would have to trade him in order to get Love. I can't understand why the Wolves would want him considering how old he is.


Now would be the time to grade Gibson as well since he's coming off of a breakout season, improving his offensive game, and being a dependable defender. He's already in his prime, Mirotic is going to be a starter if/when he signs with the Bulls so I never see Gibson (ideally) being more than a 3rd big man. Some teams probably see him as a starting forward, and don't have a younger player waiting in the wings.

It would be interesting to see if the Bulls can land Love without jmoving Mirotic. I find that doubtful since I believe he'd be a top 6-8 pick in this draft and he's be a nice young piece in a trade.


I agree. Gibson, useful as he is, doesn't belong in the same breath as a guy like Love. If minny is smart, they wouldn't settle for anything less than butler, Snell, mirotic, picks, and maybe Gibson for money purposes. Or maybe they just go after Noah.

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Nas wrote:
Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?



Here's how:

Bulls trade
Carlos Boozer $16,800,000
Nikola Mirotic
Jimmy Butler $2,119,214
Multiple 1st round picks

for

Minnesota
Kevin Love $15,719,063
Jose Barea $4,519,500

The Bulls are taking back more salary but teams are allowed to take back 25% more salary when making a trade. After making that deal the Bulls would then trade a trade with the Knicks.

Bulls trade
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,000,000
Tony Snell $1,472,000
Jose Barea $4,519,500
Player with non guaranteed contract
2014 first round pick

for

New York

Carmelo Anthony $22,000,000

It works because once again the Bulls are allowed to take back 25% more in salary.

This would give the Bulls a Big 4. At this point the Bulls could use their mid level exception and minimum salary guys that want to win a title to fill out the rest of their roster. Of course it would put them into the luxury tax but Uncle Jerry would be willing to pay it for a championship roster.

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Nas wrote:
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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?



Here's how:

Bulls trade
Carlos Boozer $16,800,000
Nikola Mirotic
Jimmy Butler $2,119,214
Multiple 1st round picks

for

Minnesota
Kevin Love $15,719,063
Jose Barea $4,519,500

The Bulls are taking back more salary but teams are allowed to take back 25% more salary when making a trade. After making that deal the Bulls would then trade a trade with the Knicks.

Bulls trade
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,000,000
Tony Snell $1,472,000
Jose Barea $4,519,500
Player with non guaranteed contract
2014 first round pick

for

New York

Carmelo Anthony $22,000,000

It works because once again the Bulls are allowed to take back 25% more in salary.

This would give the Bulls a Big 4. At this point the Bulls could use their mid level exception and minimum salary guys that want to win a title to fill out the rest of their roster. Of course it would put them into the luxury tax but Uncle Jerry would be willing to pay it for a championship roster.

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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?


Beggars can't be choosers - even if the Bulls prefer Anthony to Love, I'm not sure they can put all their eggs into the Anthony basket. If they have the opportunity to get Love, I think they have to make that move (if they are looking to land a super star talent) unless they are absolutely convinced Mirotic is going to be here next year and a major contributor in the Love mode.

If they trade for Love, (some combination, if not all, of Mirotic (or Gibson), Boozer, Butler, draft picks), I think that eliminates the Bulls from signing Anthony for less money on the open market (if that was even a possibility) since I think the amnesty of Boozer was giving the Bulls most of their open 10-12M in cap space, and I don't think they can make the salaries (much less player/picks) work for 2 massive deals.


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Nas wrote:
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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?



Here's how:

Bulls trade
Carlos Boozer $16,800,000
Nikola Mirotic
Jimmy Butler $2,119,214
Multiple 1st round picks

for

Minnesota
Kevin Love $15,719,063
Jose Barea $4,519,500

The Bulls are taking back more salary but teams are allowed to take back 25% more salary when making a trade. After making that deal the Bulls would then trade a trade with the Knicks.

Bulls trade
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,000,000
Tony Snell $1,472,000
Jose Barea $4,519,500
Player with non guaranteed contract
2014 first round pick

for

New York

Carmelo Anthony $22,000,000

It works because once again the Bulls are allowed to take back 25% more in salary.

This would give the Bulls a Big 4. At this point the Bulls could use their mid level exception and minimum salary guys that want to win a title to fill out the rest of their roster. Of course it would put them into the luxury tax but Uncle Jerry would be willing to pay it for a championship roster.



If Minnesota takes Boozer, is there a complication to adding Mirotic if he wants to play in the NBA next season? I think his cap hold is pretty low right now (around 1-2M), but he's not on the rookie pay scale so he would probably demand close to $10M whenever he does come over.

How long is Barea under contract for? If NY decides to move on for Anthony, would they want Gibson? I assume they would want to clear out as much cap space as possible for the next off-season. Where is an 3rd 1st round pick coming from if Chicago sends both to Minnesota?


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RFDC wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?



Here's how:

Bulls trade
Carlos Boozer $16,800,000
Nikola Mirotic
Jimmy Butler $2,119,214
Multiple 1st round picks

for

Minnesota
Kevin Love $15,719,063
Jose Barea $4,519,500

The Bulls are taking back more salary but teams are allowed to take back 25% more salary when making a trade. After making that deal the Bulls would then trade a trade with the Knicks.

Bulls trade
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,000,000
Tony Snell $1,472,000
Jose Barea $4,519,500
Player with non guaranteed contract
2014 first round pick

for

New York

Carmelo Anthony $22,000,000

It works because once again the Bulls are allowed to take back 25% more in salary.

This would give the Bulls a Big 4. At this point the Bulls could use their mid level exception and minimum salary guys that want to win a title to fill out the rest of their roster. Of course it would put them into the luxury tax but Uncle Jerry would be willing to pay it for a championship roster.

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I can see Minnesota making that deal but the Knicks would probably want more salary cap relief.

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Could the Bulls land Love and Melo?

Considering there has been a lot of questions as to whether the Bulls could actually afford Melo, how could they afford both?



Here's how:

Bulls trade
Carlos Boozer $16,800,000
Nikola Mirotic
Jimmy Butler $2,119,214
Multiple 1st round picks

for

Minnesota
Kevin Love $15,719,063
Jose Barea $4,519,500

The Bulls are taking back more salary but teams are allowed to take back 25% more salary when making a trade. After making that deal the Bulls would then trade a trade with the Knicks.

Bulls trade
Taj Gibson $8,000,000
Mike Dunleavy $3,000,000
Tony Snell $1,472,000
Jose Barea $4,519,500
Player with non guaranteed contract
2014 first round pick

for

New York

Carmelo Anthony $22,000,000

It works because once again the Bulls are allowed to take back 25% more in salary.

This would give the Bulls a Big 4. At this point the Bulls could use their mid level exception and minimum salary guys that want to win a title to fill out the rest of their roster. Of course it would put them into the luxury tax but Uncle Jerry would be willing to pay it for a championship roster.



If Minnesota takes Boozer, is there a complication to adding Mirotic if he wants to play in the NBA next season? I think his cap hold is pretty low right now (around 1-2M), but he's not on the rookie pay scale so he would probably demand close to $10M whenever he does come over.

How long is Barea under contract for? If NY decides to move on for Anthony, would they want Gibson? I assume they would want to clear out as much cap space as possible for the next off-season. Where is an 3rd 1st round pick coming from if Chicago sends both to Minnesota?


Minnesota would have to dump a larger salary or Mirotic would have to wait until next season when they will have more flexibility. Mirotic won't get a rookie scale contract.

New York would have a really good power forward to build around going forward in addition to other young players. Barea contract comes off the books at the same time Amare's and Chandler's deals come off the books. They would still have more flexibility than they would have if they kept Melo and his $23M salary in 2015.

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The Knicks would go from $91M in salary in 2014 to around $12M if the let Melo walk for nothing or $21M if the kept Taj. They would have nearly $50-$60M to spend in 2015 depending on the decision they made.

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I just found out that the Bulls have $3M in trade exceptions. They got $2M for trading Deng and $1M for trading Teague. With all of their none guaranteed contracts they should be able to make a trade for Melo or Love.

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The Golden State Warriors have greatly increased their chances of acquiring All-Star forward Kevin Love by making sharpshooting swingman Klay Thompson available to the Minnesota Timberwolves in trade talks, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com that Golden State, after initially resisting Minnesota's desire to land Thompson in a Love deal, has relented and is now willing to package Steph Curry's trusted backcourt mate along with David Lee and a first-round pick in a trade for Love that could materialize quickly with the 2014 NBA draft looming Thursday.

Thompson's father, Mychal, a former No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft and now a radio analyst on Los Angeles Lakers broadcasts, said Thursday on ESPN LA 710 AM that the Warriors and Wolves are discussing a deal in which Golden State also would receive Kevin Martin from Minnesota in addition to Love.

The teams are still in the process of exchanging various trade proposals that would put other players into the deal, sources said. ESPN's Chris Broussard reports that one scenario being discussed is the Wolves acquiring Thompson and Lee for Love, Martin, J.J. Barea and Minnesota's 13th pick.

It remains to be seen whether the Chicago Bulls will continue to chase Love as hard as Golden State has -- which would likely cost them the prized likes of Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson -- or focus their efforts on trying to sign or trade for Carmelo Anthony, who has until Monday to decide whether to opt in or out of the final season on his current New York Knicks contract valued at $23.3 million.

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That is a fantastic deal for Golden State.

Love > Lee (but they are obviously similar style players). Plus Lee is very injury-prone, and Love should be okay as long as he stays away from the knuckle pushups.
Martin and Thompson are pretty much a wash.
Barea is also SOLID.

Minnesota should be able to get a better deal than this.

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Minnesota is dumping salary. They would get a nice young player and a lottery pick in the draft too.

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Not sure I like the Bulls putting all their eggs in the Melo basket.

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