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Cause of death "unknown." Got his autograph in Vero Beach when I was 7 and he was like 19, well before his nose turned red.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


I really liked those A's teams.

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Loved "Sentimental Lady" . Buckingham and Peter Greene brought more to the table musically though.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


I really liked those A's teams.

I was in awe of them.

They were setting records all over the place

Canseco 40-40
McWire 49 Homers as a rookie
Welch 27 wins
Stewart 4 20 win seasons in a row
Carney Lansford winning Batting titles
Eck with saves

They were a monster. Which made the Gibson homerun even more dramatic


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


Welch couldn't hold Stewart's jock. Oddly enough, I got Stewart's autograph the same day. Both had beautiful, almost feminine handwriting.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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DannyB wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


Welch couldn't hold Stewart's jock. Oddly enough, I got Stewart's autograph the same day. Both had beautiful, almost feminine handwriting.

Layoff bro, I was 7 and the guy had like 17 wins at the break


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


I really liked those A's teams.

I was in awe of them.

They were setting records all over the place

Canseco 40-40
McWire 49 Homers as a rookie
Welch 27 wins
Stewart 4 20 win seasons in a row
Carney Lansford winning Batting titles
Eck with saves

They were a monster. Which made the Gibson homerun even more dramatic

It is hard to believe they only won 1 World Series. They were such the favorites.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
DannyB wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


Welch couldn't hold Stewart's jock. Oddly enough, I got Stewart's autograph the same day. Both had beautiful, almost feminine handwriting.

Layoff bro, I was 7 and the guy had like 17 wins at the break




Dude. They don't make them like Stewart any more. Didn't he also patronize a transgendered prostitute? Allegedly? [Edit: I knew it] http://deadspin.com/5950378/history-les ... prostitute
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Sox Bench `Jocks` Can`t Forget Stewart
June 26, 1990|By Alan Solomon, Chicago Tribune.

ANAHEIM — Several hours had passed Monday since Dave Stewart called Jack McDowell a bush-leaguer, Steve Lyons a jerk and most of the rest of the White Sox second- rate.

Yet, for some strange reason, the words hadn`t been forgotten.

``We`re playing the Angels now,`` said Scott Fletcher, whose effort at dismissing the whole thing was belied by a tone of lingering unhappiness with Stewart and the events of late Sunday afternoon.

He was speaking truth about one thing: They were playing the Angels now, in the first of three games at Anaheim Stadium. Monday`s contest was a rematch of a game the Sox had won five days earlier, with Mark Langston again going for California against Greg Hibbard.

Certainly, the challenge of the Angels and the joy of the weekend sweep at Oakland were uppermost in Sox minds Monday. But it didn`t take much to turn the subject toward Stewart`s Sunday sermon.

A review, including some gaps filled in by Bay Area papers Monday morning:

- ``Lyons is a borderline jerk, Mr. False Hustle. I heard McDowell yell,

`Throw a strike and they`ll call a strike.` What would he know about it?

The White Sox gave him a job two years ago and he couldn`t hold it.

``McDowell should be in Triple A and Lyons should be selling insurance.`` - ``They seem to think they have some pretty good ballplayers. There aren`t many players over there who could hold my jock, as far as I`m concerned.``

- ``The White Sox are having trouble handling success, as far as I`m concerned. Until they do, they`ll always be second-rate.``

What started it? This is how it falls together:

With the winning run already in, two out in the 10th and Sammy Sosa at the plate, Stewart threw a called ball, then shouted in to plate umpire Vic Voltaggio, advising him to watch for Sosa ducking under pitches.

Someone in the Sox dugout-apparently it was Fletcher, still hot over Stewart striking him out before Sosa`s at-bat-yelled at Stewart, ``Throw strikes and they`ll calls strikes.``

``Kiss my (behind),`` retorted Stewart.

At which point, according to McDowell and Ivan Calderon, about 15 Sox repeated Fletcher`s suggestion. And Stewart repeated his invitation.

``That was it,`` said McDowell. ``That was the whole thing.``

Stewart thought he heard Lyons and McDowell. He was wrong about Lyons.

``I didn`t say one word to him,`` said the usually talkative Lyons.

He was right about McDowell.

``I didn`t say anything until after he yelled at our dugout,`` said McDowell. ``I`ll tell you what: If I`m out on the mound and yell something into someone else`s dugout and they don`t say anything, something`s wrong.``

Sox manager Jeff Torborg tried to minimize the entire adventure.

``There was a misunderstanding, built out of frustration,`` Torborg said Monday.

McDowell, the Stanford student, understood perfectly. He wasn`t amused-particularly by the personal stuff.

``He was no superstar in his first few years, either,`` said McDowell.

``We`ve got 80 percent of our players in that (early career) situation.``

In his first two full seasons, 1981 and `82, Stewart was a combined 13-11 with the Dodgers. He never won as many as 10 games until, at age 30, he won 20 in 1987.

McDowell is 24.

``Not that it brings me down or anything,`` McDowell said, ``but I don`t think that`s right.``

As for Lyons . . .

``None,`` said Lyons, asked if he ever had sold insurance. ``But I could probably sell some.``

Then he turned serious.

``If he said that stuff, that`s not fair to me,`` he said. ``I tried to call and talk to him, but he wasn`t around.``

Finally, as for whether certain Sox could hold Stewart`s jock:

``I don`t care. I`m just here to be rich,`` said Ozzie Guillen.

``I don`t want to,`` said Lance Johnson.

``With one finger,`` said Carlos Martinez.

``I`ve never tried,`` said Dave Gallagher.

``It`s in my locker,`` said Ron Kittle-and, indeed, there was a jock hanging from a hook in Kittle`s locker, stuffed with a steel ball.

Written on the waistband: ``No. 34. Stewart.``

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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as for whether certain Sox could hold Stewart`s jock:

``I don`t care. I`m just here to be rich,`` said Ozzie Guillen.

``I don`t want to,`` said Lance Johnson.

``With one finger,`` said Carlos Martinez.

``I`ve never tried,`` said Dave Gallagher.

``It`s in my locker,`` said Ron Kittle-and, indeed, there was a jock hanging from a hook in Kittle`s locker, stuffed with a steel ball.

Written on the waistband: ``No. 34. Stewart.``

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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rogers park bryan wrote:
DannyB wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


Welch couldn't hold Stewart's jock. Oddly enough, I got Stewart's autograph the same day. Both had beautiful, almost feminine handwriting.

Layoff bro, I was 7 and the guy had like 17 wins at the break


Clemens was better that year


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rogers park bryan wrote:
DannyB wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I remember following his quest for 30 Wins. I remember thinking "Is this guy better than Dave Stewart?"

My dad explained that he wasnt.


Welch couldn't hold Stewart's jock. Oddly enough, I got Stewart's autograph the same day. Both had beautiful, almost feminine handwriting.

Layoff bro, I was 7 and the guy had like 17 wins at the break


Clemens was better that year


Interesting. WAR rankings from that year.

WAR for Pitchers s c a p y
1. Clemens (BOS) 10.6
2. Finley (CAL) 7.6
3. Boddicker (BOS) 6.1
4. Stieb (TOR) 5.8
5. Appier (KCR) 5.3
6. Stewart (OAK) 5.2
7. Hanson (SEA) 5.1
8. Farr (KCR) 4.8
9. Wells (TOR) 4.3
10. Ryan (TEX) 3.6

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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Thank jeebus that Dan informed us that Welch's 7-13 season was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than his 27-6 season. I mean just look at that WAR! Actually, come to think of I think Dan was looking at the wrong season since he said his WAR was 7.1, but that year he was 15-9. Whatever, idiot.


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Loved "Sentimental Lady" . Buckingham and Peter Greene brought more to the table musically though.


Nice One, Brouge.

I remember seeing him on Video Concert Hall as a yute.


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Loved "Sentimental Lady" . Buckingham and Peter Greene brought more to the table musically though.


Nice One, Brouge.

I remember seeing him on Video Concert Hall as a yute.

I think he blew his brains out last year actually.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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I've been looking at stats on Baseball Reference for guys on my fantasy team. When I heard Welch died, I checked out his career stats. In 1990, his Cy Young year, I was surprised his FIP was so high given that his ERA was under 3. I'm new to the sabermatrician stuff. Anyone understand this as it pertains to Welch's 1990 season? His ERA WAS 2.95. His FIP was 4.19. I thought his FIP would be much lower.


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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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pretty good pitcher for a long time. after 1990 he was a free agent and schuler said sox were interested in signing him. yeah, interested if he would take 25% of what he eventually got. turned out well for the sox anyway. as noted a lot of red flags any two-bit sabermetrician would see nowadays.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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Cause of death "unknown." Got his autograph in Vero Beach when I was 7 and he was like 19, well before his nose turned red.


I thought I might have been lying but no.

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This classic confrontation with Reggie is why Baseball is great. High heat all night long. Mano y Mano. Grown-ass men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26fRnCj4SYQ

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Welch
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makes me feel like a little kid watching stuff like that. it's just not the same anymore. I don't know why.

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