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Japanese imports should not be eligible for ROTY.

How about Cuban imports?

Tough to say. I don't know much about the competitiveness of the Cuban league. The Japanese league is real...you can be from any country...it isn't locked down like I assume the Cuban league is?

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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.920 vs .922 OPS.

This actually tightened up even quicker than I anticipated. Maybe they both continue being awesome and this remains a very fun comparison thread through the season.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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I really can't stand Stone's analysis of starting pitching. If an inning is kept alive after an error he completely absolves the SP of whatever happens from that point on. He could allow 3 HRs but as long as it says 1 or 0 ER in their line at the end of the night it was a brilliant outing according to him.


Hawk is rubbing off on him. The next thing you know he will be talking about "eras" and "gift runs".

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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immessedup17 wrote:
spanky wrote:
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Japanese imports should not be eligible for ROTY.

How about Cuban imports?

Tough to say. I don't know much about the competitiveness of the Cuban league. The Japanese league is real...you can be from any country...it isn't locked down like I assume the Cuban league is?


I believe Japan allows a maximum of two imports on any team.

I agree with your assessment. At some point, whether in age or non MLB professional experience, a player should not be eligible for rookie of the year.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Is this what the Cubs fans are really down to now? Celebrating a temporary tie between first basemen in Chicago?

There was a time when Bryan LaHair was supposedly better than Paul Konerko too! Go crazy!

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Is this what the Cubs fans are really down to now? Celebrating a temporary tie between first basemen in Chicago?

There was a time when Bryan LaHair was supposedly better than Paul Konerko too! Go crazy!

Why shouldn't Cubs fans be excited about their MVP candidate 1B?


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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I really can't stand Stone's analysis of starting pitching. If an inning is kept alive after an error he completely absolves the SP of whatever happens from that point on. He could allow 3 HRs but as long as it says 1 or 0 ER in their line at the end of the night it was a brilliant outing according to him.


Hawk is rubbing off on him. The next thing you know he will be talking about "eras" and "gift runs".

Stone has always been like that with extended innings and its understandable if you know he's coming at it from the pitcher's point of view. As much as guys like Sale and Samardzija say all the right things post game ("Its my job to pitch around it" etc) you know in their head every one of them is thinking they should be out of the inning.

I think its refreshingly honest as opposed to most announcers


Obviously if the guy gives up 7 runs after the error that's different.


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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Is this what the Cubs fans are really down to now? Celebrating a temporary tie between first basemen in Chicago?

There was a time when Bryan LaHair was supposedly better than Paul Konerko too! Go crazy!

Why shouldn't Cubs fans be excited about their MVP candidate 1B?
There just seems to be a lot of joy here that Rizzo and Abreu are at least right now comparable. Congratulations!

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Is this what the Cubs fans are really down to now? Celebrating a temporary tie between first basemen in Chicago?

There was a time when Bryan LaHair was supposedly better than Paul Konerko too! Go crazy!

Why shouldn't Cubs fans be excited about their MVP candidate 1B?
There just seems to be a lot of joy here that Rizzo and Abreu are at least right now comparable. Congratulations!

Why shouldn't there be?

Sox fans fellated the hell out of Abreu up until this point of the season, and disparaged Rizzo at the same time. Based on a very small sample size.

A little "I told you so" seems warranted at this point.

Isn't it much more likely that both players finish within .10 OPS of each other at season's end rather than separated by .100 OPS?

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Its understandable that Sox fans who were touting Abreu as the best player that ever lived are a little miffed with the recent developments.


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Sox fans fellated the hell out of Abreu up until this point of the season, and disparaged Rizzo at the same time. Based on a very small sample size.
Who disparaged Rizzo?
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Isn't it much more likely that both players finish within .10 OPS of each other at season's end rather than separated by .100 OPS?
I said from the start that .100 OPS was too much so yes that is true. There is currently one player in all of MLB who is more than .100 OPS over them so you guys made a pretty safe bet.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Sox fans fellated the hell out of Abreu up until this point of the season, and disparaged Rizzo at the same time. Based on a very small sample size.
Who disparaged Rizzo?


jimmy, JORR, Frank, GD, and more. I'm assuming you yourself did in several posts.

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Isn't it much more likely that both players finish within .10 OPS of each other at season's end rather than separated by .100 OPS?
I said from the start that .100 OPS was too much so yes that is true. There is currently one player in all of MLB who is more than .100 OPS over them so you guys made a pretty safe bet.


Because there is only one player that is "vastly superior."

Rizzo and Abreu are both fantastic this year. Why can't you accept that not many players are very superior to those two?

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Because there is only one player that is "vastly superior."
That still wouldn't be disparaging. Disparaging is a strong word. I don't know who doesn't think Rizzo is pretty good too.
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Rizzo and Abreu are both fantastic this year. Why can't you accept that not many players are very superior to those two?
I don't think it's true. There are many players I'd easily take over both of them, and they are not "far superior" on your scale.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Because there is only one player that is "vastly superior."
That still wouldn't be disparaging. Disparaging is a strong word. I don't know who doesn't think Rizzo is pretty good too.
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Rizzo and Abreu are both fantastic this year. Why can't you accept that not many players are very superior to those two?
I don't think it's true. There are many players I'd easily take over both of them, and they are not "far superior" on your scale.

I messed up the quote tags. The reply to disparaging was in the earlier quote. Let me fix the BB tags for you.

edit: done, re-read

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I don't think it's true. There are many players I'd easily take over both of them, and they are not "far superior" on your scale.


OPS don't lie.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Show me the quotes that disparages Rizzo. Based on what disparage means, I doubt many did.

I know I didn't.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Show me the quotes that disparages Rizzo. Based on what disparage means, I doubt many did.

I know I didn't.

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The truth is Rizzo will most likely revert to the norm established over his first 1,100 at bats...unclutch with RISP, bad against LHP, pedestrian OBP/power numbers and a BA


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Read my lips: He's FOOLS GOLD!


There are more. Those were both on page ~20.

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 Post subject: Re: Rizzo
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Show me the quotes that disparages Rizzo. Based on what disparage means, I doubt many did.

I know I didn't.

good dolphin wrote:
The truth is Rizzo will most likely revert to the norm established over his first 1,100 at bats...unclutch with RISP, bad against LHP, pedestrian OBP/power numbers and a BA


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Read my lips: He's FOOLS GOLD!


There are more. Those were both on page ~20.
:lol: jimmypasta is a Cubs fan!

You then found one that says he will return back to his career averages. I can see why you are so offended!

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I think using his career average is unfair, given the player's age, the fact that he was probably brought up too early with the Padres, and that it doesn't factor in the obvious adjustments and improvements he is rapidly making.

The trends clearly show he is better than he was in 2013, let alone 2011.

And most likely, his career will be better represented by his 2014 averages and not the numbers from his first 1,000 AB.

Just like Abreu will be more accurately judged in his 4th MLB season than his first.

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I'd still like to see you quote where somebody "disparaged" Rizzo. In fact, most Sox fans were complimenting him.

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immessedup17 wrote:
OPS don't lie.

I disagree


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Abreu; 17HR, 47RBI, 31R, .265avg, .315OBP, .934 OPS (46 games)
Rizzo; 10HR, 28RBI, 33R, .267avg, .398 OBP, .755 OPS (53 games)

Abreu is plus .179 in OPS, so now its not even "far superior" its 'Let's not even compare these two' difference.

Steve Stone appears to be 100% on the money so far, bigfan.


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Francis tries to lie using OPS.

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I'd still like to see you quote where somebody "disparaged" Rizzo. In fact, most Sox fans were complimenting him.

I've provided two quotes that disparaged Rizzo.

You can now provide two quotes that compliment him.

And this time...try to be accurate in what you post. I'll be double checking.

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For the record, Im sure it was just a simple mistake Frank made and anyone could have made it.


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For the record, Im sure it was just a simple mistake Frank made and anyone could have made it.

Yet it wouldn't be CSFMB if we didn't hold it against him for a period no less than 48 months.

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I'd still like to see you quote where somebody "disparaged" Rizzo. In fact, most Sox fans were complimenting him.

I've provided two quotes that disparaged Rizzo.

You can now provide two quotes that compliment him.

And this time...try to be accurate in what you post. I'll be double checking.
You barely posted one from jimmypasta. What good dolphin posted is NOT disparaging him at all. The burden of proof is still on you here.


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I'm looking for a big season from Rizzo. It wouldn't surprise me if he leads the NL in homers.
Less than 6 posts into this thread. Double check it if you want.

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For the record, Im sure it was just a simple mistake Frank made and anyone could have made it.

Yet it wouldn't be CSFMB if we didn't hold it against him for a period no less than 48 months.

That's true.


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I'd still like to see you quote where somebody "disparaged" Rizzo. In fact, most Sox fans were complimenting him.

I've provided two quotes that disparaged Rizzo.

You can now provide two quotes that compliment him.

And this time...try to be accurate in what you post. I'll be double checking.
I don't think you know what disparage means.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I'd still like to see you quote where somebody "disparaged" Rizzo. In fact, most Sox fans were complimenting him.

I've provided two quotes that disparaged Rizzo.

You can now provide two quotes that compliment him.

And this time...try to be accurate in what you post. I'll be double checking.
I don't think you know what disparage means.

As ashamed as I am to admit it, I actually double checked when you first criticized my use of it.

I stand by it.

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Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

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Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

What? I'm up 2-1 by last count.

"regard or represent as being of little worth."

Both JP and GD did just that by the posts of theirs I quoted. 'little power...bad with RISP'

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