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Bring Lebron and Allen both here. Jesus is in fantastic shape, and could probably play till he's 45.
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After briefly considering retirement following the Miami Heat's loss in the NBA Finals, Ray Allen is leaning toward returning for a 19th season in the NBA, according to sources.

Allen has a desire continue playing alongside LeBron James, whom he developed a close relationship with during their two seasons together in Miami, whether it is with the Heat or another team. James and Allen vacationed together last week after the Heat were beaten in the NBA Finals by the San Antonio Spurs.

James notified the Heat Tuesday that he is opting out of his contract and will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. Both James and Allen will be unrestricted free agents. Miami's Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh could choose to opt out as well. Neither has announced their plans.

"No news here yet," Wade said Tuesday.

Allen, who will turn 39 on July 20, played 79 games in the regular season and all 20 postseason games, averaging 9.3 points on 41 percent shooting.

After the Heat lost in Game 5 of the Finals, Allen said he felt good about his career and had a clear mind as he faced his summer options.

"One thing is for certain, to [make a retirement decision] on my terms is the most important thing," Allen said. "Whether that is me retiring, staying here or going somewhere else, it will be on my terms. I've made it to this point and I felt great that I have the choice to make it for myself."

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That's smart.

I still would prefer if the Bulls beat a LeBron led team. For some odd reason I probably wouldn't be as happy to see him in a Bulls uniform initially.

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I'll be pretty upset if the Bulls land LeBron.

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I'll be pretty upset if the Bulls land LeBron.


The championship just wouldn't feel the same

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I'll be pretty upset if the Bulls land LeBron.


The championship just wouldn't feel the same


The championship probably won't occur.

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Lebron should just sign 2 year deals with random teams for the rest of his career. I think the best way to prove just how great he is would be to take 5 or 6 different teams to the NBA finals. And not big name teams. Teams like Milwaukee, Memphis, Minnesota, Phoenix, ect.


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Lebron should just sign 2 year deals with random teams for the rest of his career. I think the best way to prove just how great he is would be to take 5 or 6 different teams to the NBA finals. And not big name teams. Teams like Milwaukee, Memphis, Minnesota, Phoenix, ect.


Be like the football guy in that 90's beer commercial?

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Lebron should just sign 2 year deals with random teams for the rest of his career. I think the best way to prove just how great he is would be to take 5 or 6 different teams to the NBA finals. And not big name teams. Teams like Milwaukee, Memphis, Minnesota, Phoenix, ect.


Excellent idea! Then he can challenge Robery Horry for title of "BEST EVER".

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 Post subject: Re: LeBron
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If the NBA isn't more popular than MLB yet, it will be very soon considering the demographics of each league's fanbase.


It will never happen. Just like soccer will never surpass anything in the U.S. in spite of its demographics.


I know TV does not count in Joe Orr's world, but NBA finals out draw World Series. Plus World Series average viewer is over 50.

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The majority of America couldn't name a current baseball player, but most everybody knows a handful of hoops players.

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Can you imagine Miami's attendance now? They may go bankrupt.

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The majority of America couldn't name a current baseball player, but most everybody knows a handful of hoops players.


Do you really think that's true? And how many people watch baseball on computers or smartphones, MLB At-Bat?

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I won't say anything so extreme as not knowing a single baseball player, but now and then I'll scan the rosters and be like "man, who are all these guys?" The worst is when I think that about the Cubs.

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I don't want to get deep into a sport vs sport thing, but I don't think asserting basketball players are more recognizable/popular than baseball players is the same as saying, therefore, one is more liked than the other. The NBA has long capitalized on the general photogenic nature of its players due to the lack of obstructions like helmets or hats. So perhaps nba players being more popular is more of a marketing than sport achievement. That being said, aside from south America, the NBA/basketball probably has made deeper inroads overseas.

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Oh, there's no probably about it. Baseball isn't putting down roots around the world the way it should for such a great game. Time to tell India that bats ain't flat.

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The majority of America couldn't name a current baseball player, but most everybody knows a handful of hoops players.


Do you really think that's true? And how many people watch baseball on computers or smartphones, MLB At-Bat?


I absolutely think it's true, though I'm not saying that that alone would automatically make one more popular. In context, it would certainly help. But to vegan's point, the NBA has always marketed individual stars.

I certainly don't think the NBA is a niche sport. It might seem that way in a city like Chicago where the Bears dominate and there are two baseball teams. In LA, for example, the Lakers are easily the hottest ticket in town. I do see a HUGE demographic difference between the fan bases.

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I don't want to get deep into a sport vs sport thing, but I don't think asserting basketball players are more recognizable/popular than baseball players is the same as saying, therefore, one is more liked than the other. The NBA has long capitalized on the general photogenic nature of its players due to the lack of obstructions like helmets or hats. So perhaps nba players being more popular is more of a marketing than sport achievement. That being said, aside from south America, the NBA/basketball probably has made deeper inroads overseas.


MLB is definitely the weakest of all the major sports leagues as a marketing entity. They rely on tradition and fathers passing the game down to sons.

There are baseball hotbeds around the world- the Dominican Republic, Japan. The NBA/basketball is definitely stronger in Europe. But I think some of that has to do with how complicated baseball is. It's like learning a new language. And then there are the unwritten rules. :lol:

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I certainly don't think the NBA is a niche sport. It might seem that way in a city like Chicago where the Bears dominate and there are two baseball teams. In LA, for example, the Lakers are easily the hottest ticket in town. I do see a HUGE demographic difference between the fan bases.
Los Angeles may be the only place that is true for a multi-sport town though.

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I certainly don't think the NBA is a niche sport. It might seem that way in a city like Chicago where the Bears dominate and there are two baseball teams. In LA, for example, the Lakers are easily the hottest ticket in town. I do see a HUGE demographic difference between the fan bases.
Los Angeles may be the only place that is true for a multi-sport town though.


How can the NBA be a niche sport when one its best players is arguably the most globally recognized athlete ever?

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How can the NBA be a niche sport when one its best players is arguably the most globally recognized athlete ever?
There are globally recognized skiiers and track stars too.

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How can the NBA be a niche sport when one its best players is arguably the most globally recognized athlete ever?
There are globally recognized skiiers and track stars too.


Not to the degree MJ is/was. Anyway that the NBA is probably on par or just ahead/behind of the MLB in American viewership puts the niche argument to bed.

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Not to the degree MJ is/was. Anyway that the NBA is probably on par or just ahead/behind of the MLB in American viewership puts the niche argument to bed.
In that case boxing isn't a niche sport either.

The greatest player in a sport is almost always world famous, unless it is a sport like ping pong.

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The greatest player in a sport is almost always world famous, unless it is a sport like ping pong.

Xiao Xiao just needs better marketing guys.

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Anyway that the NBA is probably on par or just ahead/behind of the MLB in American viewership puts the niche argument to bed.


Again, that has to do with marketing. That's why you have a guy like dan bernstein jizzing over LeBron James. He doesn't jizz over Mike Trout or Peyton Manning. Baseball is a different kind of game, steeped in loyalty to particular teams. Sure the hardcore fan will watch the playoffs and World Series, but for most people when their team is done, the season is over. A basketball fan watches regardless, just to see the spectacular bodies.

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The majority of America couldn't name a current baseball player, but most everybody knows a handful of hoops players.

That's hilariously inaccurate.


Way higher percentage of people couldnt name ONE NBA player


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Anyway that the NBA is probably on par or just ahead/behind of the MLB in American viewership puts the niche argument to bed.


Again, that has to do with marketing. That's why you have a guy like dan bernstein jizzing over LeBron James. He doesn't jizz over Mike Trout or Peyton Manning. Baseball is a different kind of game, steeped in loyalty to particular teams. Sure the hardcore fan will watch the playoffs and World Series, but for most people when their team is done, the season is over. A basketball fan watches regardless, just to see the spectacular bodies.


:lol:

So are you saying most people who attend baseball games or watch on TV are lifelong devotees of the game and their local teams, while basketball's attendance and ratings.are due mainly to marketing? A sports fan base can be an amalgamation of die hards/traditionalists/whatever and the causal admirer of the 360 dunk or long ball.

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Whatever portion of our society is prejudice against blacks....that much is not watching the NBA for the most part. Not that having those people as fans is anything for the other sports to brag about but still.


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Anyway that the NBA is probably on par or just ahead/behind of the MLB in American viewership puts the niche argument to bed.


Again, that has to do with marketing. That's why you have a guy like dan bernstein jizzing over LeBron James. He doesn't jizz over Mike Trout or Peyton Manning. Baseball is a different kind of game, steeped in loyalty to particular teams. Sure the hardcore fan will watch the playoffs and World Series, but for most people when their team is done, the season is over. A basketball fan watches regardless, just to see the spectacular bodies.


:lol:

So are you saying most people who attend baseball games or watch on TV are lifelong devotees of the game and their local teams, while basketball's attendance and ratings.are due mainly to marketing? A sports fan base can be an amalgamation of die hards/traditionalists/whatever and the causal admirer of the 360 dunk or long ball.


What I'm saying is that basketball has been marketed around superstar athletes and their wondrous feats of great athletic achievement. Baseball is about winning and losing and outcomes rather than style. (At least until dan bernstein has his way.) When baseball attempted an NBA-style marketing campaign and fetishized the homerun, well, we all know what resulted from that.

Anyway, if you think more people watch NBA basketball than major league baseball, you're simply wrong.

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Anyway, if you think more people watch NBA basketball than major league baseball, you're simply wrong.


I don't think that. Without having the numbers (does anyone?) I assume they are similar.

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Anyway, if you think more people watch NBA basketball than major league baseball, you're simply wrong.


I don't think that. Without having the numbers (does anyone?) I assume they are similar.


I don't think it's even close, but with the way sports are consumed these days it's hard to tell for certain. One thing that MLB is ahead of the curve on is their mobile application. MLB At-Bat is a killer.

But to circle back to the way the games are viewed, I think a lot changed in the Jordan era. "Posterizing" a guy became more important than winning. A guy knifing through the lane for a vicious slam suddenly became seen as "better" than a 7'1" center who shot 68% from the field or a shooter who could knock down 40% from three point range. There is a lot of truth to what Billy said about guys preferring to look good and lose.

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