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He is quoting a scouting report that someone posted here after McDermott was picked. It is easier to hate on picks, then to admit you don't have a clue if he is any good or not. I have not seen the kid play and can only sit back and see how he does.

He has the Dirk one legged fade away down.

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I realized that based on what he was saying. That's why I tried to share some more accurate information.

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Imagine how much not being the primary option will help his overall game

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His game reminds me most of Dunleavy's and I believe he was brought in to be his replacement.

his offense is supposed to be his strength?

3 minutes a game is too high. This guy has zero hops (1 two-handed, driving directly at the bucket off of a steal dunk in all that video), looks like he's dribbling in quicksand on his drives and can only hit 3's off of wide-open, clean looks.

I guess if Steve Alford can get drafted in the 1st round, it's not that surprising.

He may be fine, but there are Youtube videos for every buster that ever got drafted that makes them look like lottery picks.

i'm torn. I think he can score...looks like he hits circus shots with guys all over him. not sure who he could possibly guard though.

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He had a 36.5" vertical and 70% of his made shots were challenged. He had better athletic measurables than Hood.

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Combine numbers

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... ll&sort=12

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It's pretty ironic that so many people who are so eager for the Bulls to get Love are complaining about this draft pick when Love is a better comp for McDermott than all the other guys people are naming. If McDermott had the exact same career that he did but was a black guy, he might have been the number one pick in the draft.

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You think Love and McDermott are comparable?

Man I am not sure on that. Love is 6'10" and can play in the post, rebounds the hell out of the ball.

McDermott is a tad under 6'8" and while he can do some things in the post is not really a post player and he does not have the rebounding ability that is even close to Love.

They do both seem to have the ability to get their shots off in unusual ways and find ways to score.

The more I watch things on McDermott I am hopeful that he can be a solid contributor. But I am by no means sold on the pick.

But I find the people here who bitch about it and have more than likely not watched hardly anything on the guy to be really annoying.

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If he were a black guy, he probably wouldn't have played four years of college :/

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I can't remember anyone on here posting about watching a lot of Creighton basketball during the season. Maybe Nas had season tickets and just didn't tell anyone. I'm guessing most of us didn't watch a ton of this kid. But that's not really even relevant. The bottom line is that most of these guys selected won't be very good. If you're just taking a shot in the dark you have a much better chance of being correct if you say he's gonna suck then if he's gonna be good. Same applies to the guys I like in the draft, none of which are McDermott.

Love is a terrible comp, IMO. I really feel safe saying McDermott isn't going to turn into a top 3 rebounder in the league while scoring 25+ ppg.

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So have we started just saying things? I don't have season tickets to the Knicks games but I've seen enough of Melo to know he's great. Same with Love. Most knowledgeable Bulls fans trust the Bulls scouts and their decision makers when it comes to the draft. Other than the Tyrus Thomas pick they haven't missed in the past decade. Since that is the case why wouldn't you trust them when it comes to a guy they've scouted more than anyone else?

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James Johnson was a miss. So was Marcus Teague. I trust the bulls front office and have defended them for most of my time here. I just think they got this one wrong. I believe you know about Love and Melo because you've posted about them for years, as have I. Neither one of us was posting about how good McDermott was gonna be at the next level during the past college basketball season. That's my point. He might be great and he might suck. For any of us to act like we know for sure is foolish. We'll see what happens. I hope I'm wrong.

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It will be interesting to watch McDermott and Harris and see who has the better career. I would agree with FF right now and go with Harris.

But FF also thought Blair was going to be better than Taj too.

So who knows.

I don't expect anyone to watch any Creighton basketball. Just seems that some get on here and bash the pick without knowing anything about the guy.

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James Johnson was traded for a 1st round pick and Teague was a late 1st round pick and a salary dump (he was bad). There isn't any college basketball talk here. If anyone has seen him play (YouTube is available) or just take into account the Bulls great scouts have seen him play more than anyone else and the entire organization was high on him it is highly unlikely that he will be bad.

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YouTube clips can make anyone look like a star. They're one of the reasons Yi was taken four spots ahead of Noah.

As I already explained, just going by the numbers there's a much better chance he sucks than he is good. And you're overselling the Bulls record on draft picks. Butler is a nice player for where he was drafted but he will never be great. Snell probably sucks. Johnson sucked. Teague sucked. Aldridge is undeniably one of the three best best PFs in the league and I don't even think Tyrus is in the league. Kirk was decent but not a good or great pick at 7. Deng, Rose, and Noah were their good picks and Rose was obvious... to most.

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Favre is correct. Everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over whether he will be great or terrible. He will likely be neither. And history and general odds tell us he will likely be bad if he is one or the other. He could become a good complimentary perimeter scorer with the right situation.
Also, he is in no way remotely close to Kevin Love. Love is a post player and great rebounder.

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How many players that were drafted after the Bulls made their selection was clearly better than the Bulls choice?

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I don't even think that's a fair way to judge GarPax, but off the top of my head...

2013: I'd rather have Dieng, Plumlee, or Hardaway Jr than Snell
2012: Probably some better players than Teague
2011: Chandler Parsons

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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that a guy who has never played an NBA game was going to be like a perennial All-Star, but I think McDermott is probably a stronger post player than Love already. Sure, Love is bigger, but what difference does that make? As bigfan likes to point out he usually plays like a guy who is 6'2".

Anyway, there's obviously a bias against McDermott based on the color of his skin as evidenced by all the comparisons of him to these heavy-legged driveway shooters when he's nothing like that. He's strong and athletic and just happens to have a hell of a jumpshot. He's more like a taller Mark Aguirre than he is like Adam Morrison.

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Not really though. He gets a lot of rebounds on a shitty team and he rarely plays in the post.

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That's not true though. He plays in the post all the time.

I will say that he often values rebounds more than contesting a shot and that would be irksome as hell on a team you root for. He's a flawed player. But there's really nothing to suggest McDermott is better at anything basketball related than Love is right now.

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No, right now he's just a guy who has never played an NBA game. But I do think he's better compared to someone like Love than to Korver or Jimmer Fredette. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how good McDermott is in this league. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he's the best guy to come out of this draft.

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And Love isn't really playing in the post. He sure isn't scoring from there. And if you're going to tell me he is, his shooting percentages are atrocious for a post player.

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